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« on: July 12, 2023, 01:49:13 PM »

Hi all,

I was hoping I could get your input on an issue that’s been in my mind for quite a bit and is holding me back in my detaching process.

We all know BPDs will typically jump from one relationship to another within a very short timeframe. However, what I still can’t understand is why these relationships can be very diverse, in terms of length, commitment, etc.

For example my ex for some context: while she was studying abroad she was in a relationship for 6 years, were living together and even got engaged. From what she told me, it was not a healthy one with multiple recycles. Then she finished her studies, returned home and was dating a guy for around 2-3 years, while still in pull/push cycle with her ex. By her own admission the new relationship was tormenting to say the least, but somehow ended up marrying this guy and got divorced 6 months later.

Afterwards, she had a wild phase with lots of partying, short lived relationships, then got engaged again in a long distance relationship (can’t wrap my head around this one given the level of jealousy she showed with me), until she met her second ex husband to whom she was married for 3 years. This one was pure hell with abuse from both sides, alcohol abuse, cheating and left her financially in ruins.

This was around 4 years ago, then she dated casually until she met me, her “savior”. Supposedly, I was her first serious relationship after the traumatic divorce.

Now this is the part that I have trouble understanding, early on she was already showing BPD signs, which I chose to ignore in part due to the idealization phase and not being fully aware she had BPD. But after 3 months BPD came in full force. So how was she able to be in all those long term relationships, albeit unhealthy ones? Did her BPD got worse over time? Was I the reason BPD was triggered so early? Maybe if I didn’t break the pull/push cycle we would have been together much longer? Was I not good enough for her? Was I too good for her?

I know we didn’t have a healthy relationship and it was hurting me a lot but I can’t stop feeling a bit of envy that others got much further and that I perhaps was not worthy enough for her to make a long term commitment.

Maybe I am overthinking all of this but it has been stuck in my mind for the last couple of days so I would greatly appreciate your comments/thoughts. Thanks for your support!
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2023, 03:14:50 PM »

Bpd is a disorder that exists on a spectrum of severity, from mild (bpd traits) to severe.

Severity has nothing to do with how difficult a person they are for us (or anyone) personally, and everything to do with the suffering and dysfunction they experience.

There are 6 billion people in the world. It is estimated that 2-5 percent of them have bpd. Countless more have bpd traits (think of bpd traits as bpd light in terms of severity. Bpd light describes most exes on this board. Bpd light may mean less severe, but it does not necessarily mean easier to get along with. The opposite may even be true.)

You're talking about a great deal of people. You are by definition going to have a great deal of diversity. The only thing that people with bpd really have in common is some mixture of 9 personality traits.

This is all to say, that if the internet is telling you that people with bpd, as a whole, do these "things", the correlation is probably a lot more complicated.

If you take ocd, or any mental health disorder, sure, there will be some commonality, but no one assumes any uniformity of experience.

So the answers to your questions probably have less to do with bpd, and a lot more to do with the individuals involved.

But after 3 months BPD came in full force

The first three months to a year of a relationship is considered the "honeymoon phase" (I am talking relationships in general; this phase is not limited to bps relationships).

In that period we are full of hormones, tend to idealize our partners (everyone. People with bpd traits just do it to an extreme), and on our end, we tend to put our best foot forward, put forth that most attractive version of ourselves, and then all of these things settle down.

The vast majority of all relationships end around 3 months, for this reason.

Where bpd comes in, is that bpd may become a lot more obvious around the same time, because of their inherent relationship struggles with exactly those things. Someone with bpd is more likely to resent and blame you for themselves trying to become the person you find most attractive. Or where you or I might relax after a while, stop seeing our partner through rose tinted glasses, and maybe some of those habits are now more annoying than endearing, it's actually kind of a crisis for someone with bpd to go through that because they can't hold a stable image of themselves or their loved ones.

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. So how was she able to be in all those long term relationships, albeit unhealthy ones?

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, that precludes someone with bpd traits from being in a long term relationship.

Bpd obviously presents major challenges in any relationship, but that doesn't necessarily have a great deal to do with length.

There are people on the bettering board whom have been married for 30, 40, 50 years. There are people that have been married to someone with bpd all their lives, never broken up, never had any infidelity.

Length has more to do with "clicking", and clicking really has little to do with the health or the quality of the relationship. My relationship was just shy of three years. I first tried to end it around three months in. Our first three months were full of fights, I told her for the entirety of the relationship that it was unhealthy, I even told her it was more bad than it was good! And yet, I stayed, and she stayed, until we both found a cowards way out. I stayed because however unhappy was, I was getting something out of it. I was getting some dysfunctional need met. And that alone can make for a long term relationship.

So, you can really only get so far in comparing your relationship to theirs. Relationships are a series of interactions between two unique individuals. There are any number of reasons why one lasts longer than another, none of them necessarily "good" or "bad".

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Did her BPD got worse over time?

I don't know her, but its possible.

Some bpd traits can improve with age, generally speaking, but if you take a person, anyone, with a dysfunction, keep piling more dysfunction on it, and things are usually going to get worse before they get better.

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Was I the reason BPD was triggered so early?

No. This is not really the way bpd works. It isn't triggered. It's a world view. A mentality. A lifestyle. For whatever reason, that has to do with both of you and the way you connected it sounds like the two of you just had an explosive beginning.

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Was I not good enough for her? Was I too good for her?

What I eventually came to see, once I had detached, and moved through the pain, is that we loved each other very much, we just couldn't make it work. There were things about each other that we just couldn't live with. We weren't right for each other.

It isn't a contest. The two of you weren't right for each other (i cant tell you how hard it was and how long it took for me to see that). There are better fits for both of you out there, and that has nothing to do with you or her as a person.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2023, 04:00:43 PM »

I hope you can believe that it's not anything about you not being "good enough".

There are many reasons we are attracted to someone and they are attracted to us- some are unconscious, so we don't know why one relationship may last longer than another one but it doesn't have anything to do with "being enough" or adequate, or that one person is "better" than the other. In fact, it's possible that people with more emotionally healthy boundaries wouldn't put up with these dynamics for long.

How long people stay together does not mean the relationship was a happy one or an emotionally stable one. There are long term dysfunctional and abusive relationships.

It may not be possible to know why some relationships lasted longer than yours. What seems most harmful to you is feeling you didn't meet some requirement for staying with this relationship. This isn't true. I hope you can let this go and feel you deserve to be treated kindly in a relationship - as we all do.  

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2023, 12:25:35 AM »

My last BPD relationship lasted 1.5 years and she was with her ex before me for 7 years.  Does that mean the last guy was better suited to her than me or more evolved than me?  Possibly.  But he also cheated on her rampantly and was most likely a narcissist, so maybe being away with other women all the time shielded him from having to deal with her impossibly high expectations.  Or maybe his narcissism better fit with what a her “ideal” template of a man should look like.  Or maybe her BPD is getting worse?  

When you go down this road, as I did, you tend to get more questions than answers.  What I was able to piece together was that all of her relationships — while not exactly the same — seemed to follow the same general pattern.  Her need to control everything and overbearing personality eventually drove the man away.  For me it took months to say I’ve had enough, for others it took years.  

You also see a pattern of many of her close female
friendships falling apart over time.  That happens once, and it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.  It happens 2-3 times or more, paired with all the other “smoking guns” and now you can start to get a picture of what she is like in relationships.

In my case, I’ll never know for sure about her past, because she guarded her public image so carefully on facebook.  In all her picture she is out somewhere beautiful in nature having the time of her life.  In the year and a half she and I were together, I always had to drag her to do anything fun and usually she would ruin it by attacking me over something trivial.

Again, if you want to take a peek behind the curtain of what life is like for her, you can take some of your own experiences and extrapolate them out across other similar circumstances.

One final quick story, when she and I were still together, but things were bad, I stumbled across some pictures on facebook of my ex and her partner before me at a BBQ with some friends, not on her Facebook page but someone else who was a mutual friend.  The look on his face sitting next to her was that of a tortured man — I could remember feeling exactly the same way many times when I was with her: smothered and angry and confused with all of my energy drained and wanting to GTFO of wherever we were.   He had *exactly* that same look.  
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2023, 04:32:26 PM »

Thank you all for your thorough responses. They have been of immense help for processing how I was feeling. I really appreciate it.

I am feeling better now and with a much clear understanding on the subject. I am now focusing primarily on my relationship with her, without trying to draw conclusions based on her previous ones, to continue with the detaching process.

Thanks again for your support Smiling (click to insert in post)

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