Home page of BPDFamily.com, online relationship supportMember registration here
May 18, 2025, 09:48:45 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Board Admins: Kells76, Once Removed, Turkish
Senior Ambassadors: EyesUp, SinisterComplex
  Help!   Boards   Please Donate Login to Post New?--Click here to register  
bing
Near or in break-up mode?
What Does it Take to Be in a Relationship
Is Your Relationship Breaking Down?
Escaping Conflict and the Karpman Drama Triangle
Emotional Blackmail: Fear, Obligation and Guilt (FOG)
95
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Thoughts on caretaking…  (Read 157 times)
thankful person
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
What is your sexual orientation: Gay, lesb
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Romantic partner
Relationship status: Married
Posts: 1055

Formerly known as broken person…


« on: May 15, 2025, 05:44:12 PM »

Hi all,

I have been trying to follow the “stop caretaking” and “stop walking on eggshells” for 4 years now, with varying results. I have noted that some caretaking is essential, if you want the bpd relationship to succeed, and this is why pwbpd traditionally have many short-lived relationships, unlike those lucky enough to find a caretaker, the classic bpd fam member.

It felt like a regression today and I wanted to get people’s thoughts. My marriage has been strained over the past few weeks, but is generally stable. My bpd wife has been extremely dysregulated this week though, culminating in a very bad morning today (my birthday). The latest source of chaos was needing to go to work on my birthday, this simple act of providing for the family being taken as my choosing to spend my birthday with people other than her.

At work everyone wished me Happy Birthday and they had also all signed a card and sang and got me a cake and flowers. On the way home, bpdw was on the phone of course. I dropped the call by putting my phone in airplane mode, a trick one of my students taught me. I stopped the car, placed the cake and flowers on a public bench and the card in the bin. Drove home and had a lovely evening where my wife had gone out today and bought me lots of lovely gifts she/we can’t afford for my birthday.

Did I do wrong? I feel bad to abandon/dispose of these work gifts, though cheap they were thoughtful. Hopefully someone else chose to enjoy my cake and flowers. I know we are supposed to “stop caretaking”, let our pwbpd’s experience the real world and deal with the fact that other people like me and got to give me the card, cake, and flowers before she did. I know she wouldn’t have handled seeing those things. For reference she has previously insisted that Christmas cards and gifts from my students go in the bin, purely due to jealousy. I just wanted a peaceful evening after all the drama…

Logged

“Maybe I’ll get it right next time…” from “Estranged” by Guns N’ Roses
RELATIONSHIP PROBLEM SOLVING
This is a high level discussion board for solving ongoing, day-to-day relationship conflicts. Members are welcomed to express frustration but must seek constructive solutions to problems. This is not a place for relationship "stay" or "leave" discussions. Please read the specific guidelines for this group.

Under The Bridge
**
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Ex-romantic partner
Relationship status: broken up
Posts: 84


« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2025, 12:37:29 AM »

You did what you thought was right at the time to avoid any possible meltdown by your partner - and that's what we all try to do. Though in hindsight this might be taken as enabling her, rather than caretaking and setting boundaries. You did what she wanted at the end of the day and that's all she's interested in.

Maybe next time keep the presents from work so you maintain your boundary but make a big fuss over her presents, making sure she knows her presents are much more appreciated might work, letting you avoid walking on eggshells? I appreciate that it's impossible to second-guess a BPD's actions and the mere fact that others give you presents is triggering her jealousy.. been there, done that and it totally ruins what should be a happy day all round.

best wishes
Logged
Notwendy
********
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Posts: 11498



« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2025, 08:56:35 AM »

Hi all,

I have been trying to follow the “stop caretaking” and “stop walking on eggshells” for 4 years now, with varying results. I have noted that some caretaking is essential, if you want the bpd relationship to succeed, and this is why pwbpd traditionally have many short-lived relationships, unlike those lucky enough to find a caretaker, the classic bpd fam member.


Just a thought on this assumption. If a BPD-caretaker marriage is such a good thing to maintain- then- why are the people posting here unhappy in this situation? If it were necessary to be a caretaker to keep the marriage together- and the wish is to keep it together, and this is what both people want, then why would anyone ask for advice to make things different, especially if the advice leads to concerns about threatening the relationship.

It's been a while since I read that book but I don't recall it saying "don't take this advice, you need to be a caretaker if you want the marriage to succeed. Not caretaking is the reason for unstable BPD marriages so beware of this advice".

There's another side to caretaking that isn't so caring. It's managing a partner's emotions as a way of managing ones own. It's actually more self serving than to be doing caring things for the other person. I think this is why you discarded the gifts, to spare yourself your wife's reaction. I understand this- I saw my father do this many times. We did it ourselves on visits as it wasn't worth having a scene on a short visit. There were some times I chose to placate my BPD mother's feelings because, I just didn't want to deal with the reaction at the time. That wasn't all "caretaking".

The reason for the book suggestion to stop caretaking isn't to break up a marriage. It's because enabling, caretaking, someone's emotions doesn't allow for them to have the opportunity to learn to manage their own emotions better, if it were possible. They, then, remain at this level of ability.

This is your relationship to choose about what to do. What I have seen is the consequences of decades of emotional caretaking. While you said "lucky enough to find a caretaker spouse" may apply to my BPD mother, the other side of this is that she remained at the child level of emotional regulation.  Yes, this kept the marriage together, but it also maintained the dysfunctional dynamics.

You have so far been able to regain many of your boundaries- like needing your job, playing your piano, picking your clothes, by not caretaking your wife's feelings and letting her deal with them. The work gifts were not a battle to bother with. There were two sides to this. One is "she couldn't handle seeing them" and the other "you couldn't handle her reaction if she did".

I don't know the road not taken. Would my mother have gained better skills or not? One doesn't know if one isn't willing to allow the pwBPD to have the uncomfortable feelings of seeing a gift from a co-worker. The book doesn't recommend going all cold turkey at once but taking this one step at a time. Everyone chooses their battles. But if you can let go of this assumption that caretaking is necessary to keep your marriage and instead see caretaking as keeping your wife from learning her own emotional regulation skills, it may not look like it's trying to break your marriage up.

Logged
thankful person
*******
Offline Offline

Gender: Female
What is your sexual orientation: Gay, lesb
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Romantic partner
Relationship status: Married
Posts: 1055

Formerly known as broken person…


« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2025, 06:05:28 PM »

Thank you under the bridge. Being appreciative of her gifts would have basically been too late and I’m not sure she would have even given them to me because she would be so jealous of what a wonderful time I’d had at work and how everyone including me had such a wonderful time celebrating my birthday while she sat at home alone (with a baby), or rather I mean was out shopping for my gifts all day…

Not Wendy, thank you for your wisdom as usual. You are absolutely correct. Your mother presents as so similar to my wife that I’ve no doubt at all that she could have learnt better emotional regulation skills if your father had been able to join our brave team at bpd fam and give some of these things a go. My wife has improved so much in her behaviours and treatment of me and the kids and I do credit this forum alongside the caretaking book with supporting me through these changes.

I have met hundreds of people on here. Only three of them have had a functioning bpd marriage I could aspire to, and they are no longer active on the site. Everyone else is either struggling or divorced/separated. Apart from you and Kells who are amazingly knowledgeable and supportive but are fortunate enough to not be married to a pwbpd (or if you are you never mentioned it!) So you will understand why I am wary. My theory is that yes, we can aspire to treat our bpd partners as a “normal” person would and demand that they treat us accordingly. And my fear is that in some cases this would terminate the relationship, just as an emotionally stable person may well run a mile at some of those early red flags we ignored (or in my case welcomed because I was a mess myself).

I will keep on keeping’ on. I feel like my wife knew that she would struggle with me getting given a cake and flowers or whatever on my birthday and it’s almost like she wanted to make absolutely certain that I would dispose of those things and in fact it’s an interesting theory that she may even have done this consciously. But I am determined it won’t happen again.
Logged

“Maybe I’ll get it right next time…” from “Estranged” by Guns N’ Roses
Notwendy
********
Offline Offline

What is your sexual orientation: Straight
Who in your life has "personality" issues: Parent
Posts: 11498



« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2025, 07:48:48 PM »

I understand- you would want to hear from people in your situation and there doesn't seem to be many on this board. I did have co-dependent traits that caused issues in relationships but- not to the extent of or like a situation like my parents or your situation, so I don't have experience being in a relationship like yours.

I truly don't know of any book or advice that says one must increase enabling to keep a relationship. Maybe other posters do know of something like that.  On the other hand, to enable less, to "stop caretaking the borderline" doesn't mean a cold turkey now treat the person as if they don't have BPD, because they do have BPD. It means decreasing the caretaking behaviors that are leading to the non being unhappy  if that is the situation.

What happened here is that the work gifts weren't as important to you and not rocking the boat with them at home. It's not a "battle" you want to have. But other things may be. It's entirely your choice.

I do sense that you are wary of this kind of advice- because it may cause a change in dynamics in your marriage and you don't want to risk that. It's your choice to consider or dismiss any advice here or in a book.
Logged
Can You Help Us Stay on the Air in 2024?

Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Our 2023 Financial Sponsors
We are all appreciative of the members who provide the funding to keep BPDFamily on the air.
12years
alterK
AskingWhy
At Bay
Cat Familiar
CoherentMoose
drained1996
EZEarache
Flora and Fauna
ForeverDad
Gemsforeyes
Goldcrest
Harri
healthfreedom4s
hope2727
khibomsis
Lemon Squeezy
Memorial Donation (4)
Methos
Methuen
Mommydoc
Mutt
P.F.Change
Penumbra66
Red22
Rev
SamwizeGamgee
Skip
Swimmy55
Tartan Pants
Turkish
whirlpoollife



Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2006-2020, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!