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« on: February 16, 2013, 11:47:23 PM »

I've recently noticed that her Fiance' is showing a lot of pity and compassion for her lately. Talking about her flaws and insecurities and being willing to help fix them. It's reminding me of the beginning of our relationship where I would "baby her" every time she got like that. I remembered feeling like I would never leave her side. It's like she started all over again like a programmed robot. So surreal. I just wish she could get the help needed because she been in over 20 relationships and still can not see that other people can not fix her but her self. She's in a long distance relationship overseas.

Who else is able to witness this with their ex?

Do you guys think LD-R's are suitable for a person with a personality disorder?

Is the distance good or bad for them?

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 12:20:58 AM »

If said pwBPD is getting professional help, then perhaps they are trying to work through things.

If not, that's part of the phase where the pwBPD realizes that they're now in trouble and are doing whatever they can to regain the attention they crave.

In your case, the 'babying'.

Once they get that attention, the cycle of use and move on and use and move on repeats itself with moving on equating to moving on to either a new person or someone they were with previously whom they think they can convince to return to them.

In my very honest and very blunt opinion, I don't think any romantic interpersonal relationships is particularly 'suited' for anyone who is severely struggling with a psychiatric disorder that severely affects the ability to be rational/reasonable UNLESS they are getting professional help for the disorder AND UNLESS the person they are with is very well equipped to deal with the disorder and what it takes to help both the person with BPD and themselves as they navigate the very chaotic waters together.

Without professional help, the pwBPD is stuck in their 'other world' that is characterized by their BPD.  What chance they have at happiness within a relationship is sabotaged by the BPD that - while isn't their fault - is running their lives for them.  The inevitable ups and downs of a relationship - especially the extremes and especially the downs - will be very stressful for the pwBPD as they are ill-equipped to cope in a more rational and reasonable manner versus simply reacting on a hair-trigger every single time one of their hair triggers is set off.  If the pwBPD isn't in a relationship where the partner is fully equipped to deal with everything that is BPD and knows how to deal with such a situation (coping, setting boundaries, reinforcing their own self worth when the BPD may be hurling unfounded insults everywhere, etc), then this only serves to add as an extra stressor... .  to both parties.

That said, for BPDs who have attachment issues and are not working through them, LDRs can likely to equate to:

More "OMG!  WHERE ARE YOU?"

More "OMG, ARE YOU CHEATING ON ME?"

and just general exacerbation of current attachment issues because of the literal distance between people.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 01:12:18 AM »

You state great points... .  It's almost like she is trying very hard to convince her self that an ldr with this new person is finally "the one" by the way I was also called "the one" at one point.

Once they get that attention, the cycle of use and move on and use and move on repeats itself with moving on equating to moving on to either a new person or someone they were with previously whom they think they can convince to return to them.

I just hope it isn't me that she tries to convince if/when that relationship go sour.

Her antics almost made me to lose my sense of self... .  something I've always been proud of,coming from a family who raised me to have "thick skin". I would love to be there as a friend but nothing more. I put a lot of my issues/emotions on the back burner to deal with hers for 5yrs. I'm emotionally drained.


That said, for BPDs who have attachment issues and are not working through them, LDRs can likely to equate to:

More "OMG!  WHERE ARE YOU?"

More "OMG, ARE YOU CHEATING ON ME?"


This is why I feel as if an ld-r just wouldn't pan out until someone moves and moves quickly. I just can not see her being with out any physical interaction for too long. She is abnormally clingy. I got accused of cheating on her with women on TV while in bed cuddled watching TV with her, accused of liking the singer on the radio while driving in the car with her sitting right there in the passenger... .  and many other things that I am ashamed to even post here. Anything where she felt like my attention would be diverted, she panicked. Morbid jealousy on level 10... .  so I really cant see her trusting this ld-r for too much longer!

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2013, 01:38:13 AM »

You state great points... .  It's almost like she is trying very hard to convince her self that an ldr with this new person is finally "the one" by the way I was also called "the one" at one point.

Once they get that attention, the cycle of use and move on and use and move on repeats itself with moving on equating to moving on to either a new person or someone they were with previously whom they think they can convince to return to them.

I just hope it isn't me that she tries to convince if/when that relationship go sour.

Her antics almost made me to lose my sense of self... .  something I've always been proud of,coming from a family who raised me to have "thick skin". I would love to be there as a friend but nothing more. I put a lot of my issues/emotions on the back burner to deal with hers for 5yrs. I'm emotionally drained.


That said, for BPDs who have attachment issues and are not working through them, LDRs can likely to equate to:

More "OMG!  WHERE ARE YOU?"

More "OMG, ARE YOU CHEATING ON ME?"


This is why I feel as if an ld-r just wouldn't pan out until someone moves and moves quickly. I just can not see her being with out any physical interaction for too long. She is abnormally clingy. I got accused of cheating on her with women on TV while in bed cuddled watching TV with her, accused of liking the singer on the radio while driving in the car with her sitting right there in the passenger... .  and many other things that I am ashamed to even post here. Anything where she felt like my attention would be diverted, she panicked. Morbid jealousy on level 10... .  so I really cant see her trusting this ld-r for too much longer!

First and foremost, don't be ashamed to air out your thoughts and feelings.

You've been in a tough and rough place and I'm pretty sure most everyone here can empathize with the feeling of having one's sense of self displaced to who-knows-where.

And yes, I would agree that you're emotionally drained and 'thick skin' or no, I wouldn't recommend trying to continue a friendship.  Why?  Because of your previous relationship, she will continue to use her perceived wrongs of you against you.  YOU may see it as 'we're only friends but I still care about you' but she's liable to see it as either 'if I convince him hard enough, he will come back!' or 'here is another person coming back whom I can reuse!' or 'He HATES ME HATES ME HATES ME!111' and fly off the handle at you (and probably dredge up the past again and wallow in it.

There are no quarters or halves when it comes to viewing things for a pwBPD.  Just wholes - and sometimes wholes that are made up almost completely of misperceptions.  The 'seeing in black and white' bit.

That said, though I was never in a romantic relationship with my friend, they still accused me of some pretty bizarre things up to and including using my attendance at school as an excuse for me to not pay attention to them.

I had a set class schedule when I was still doing school and everybody who knew I was going to school (and this most definitely included my friend) knew that at certain times of the day on certain days of the week, I was unavailable because I was literally in class and would get kicked out of class for any interruptions like phone calls and the like.

Apparently, this unavailability - even though it was dictated mostly by my major - equaled to bouts of extreme clinginess and neediness highlighted by multiple text and email messages of the, "Where are you?  Are you ignoring me?" variety.  And in the end, that whole thing turned into accusations about me purposely being unavailable when they needed me, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2013, 01:41:43 AM »

Also, if you 'gave' a lot to her before, be prepared for her to come back to you or try to.

This is exactly what my fwBPD did after they had cycled through friends, SOs - all people whom they proclaimed were better than me - only to realize that everyone else had gotten the same idea that I had.

"[THOUGH I HATE YOU AND STILL THINK YOU DESERVE THE CRAP I PUT YOU THROUGH] PLEASE COME BAAACK!"

... .  Yeah.  NO.

I wish my former friend well and dearly hope they get the help they so need, but I'm definitely out of the picture.
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