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« on: April 16, 2013, 07:09:56 PM »

This is just a post on how i'm currently detaching on my looney BPD ex girl.

So, there I was, most people know me here by now for seeking some sort of 'guidance' through life as the BPD experience set me back completely on all fields and question my own frikking sanity.

I quit my investment banking job, and started staying at home. I come from a small proud christian family (mother) and strict small business family (father). Failure no option. I'm the only one who went to uni. No brothers, no sisters, father and mother separated when I was 2 and my mother got institutionalized (mental health care). Top of my class at uni, made a name for myself in banking until I met my kooky ex BPD counterpart.

I went ku-ku after all the nasty blackmail, raging, and my confidence was utterly destroyed. I saw no perspective in life anymore and thought she was my only one, couldn't get better than her. I would never ever expect to have better sex than with anyone like her, dating anyone prettier than her or feeling a better connection with someone like her.

I got home after I quit my job, laid in bed and cried and puked for weeks. Thoughts about suicide came to my mind daily (most frequent users remember my posts). One night I took all my sleep pills and liquor and i woke up perfectly fine without a hangover although having left a note.

Remained in therapy and got AD's. But still crying in bed feeling utterly useless.

I feel I lost my best friend, my best buddy, my soulmate, my one right person who would complete my life. I couldn't be more wrong. I literally was so afraid of doing myself harm, that I felt I had to get out, and do something.

Change?

I booked an airplane ticket to Eastern Europe (was living in the Netherlands) and sent a few couch surfing requests from (www.couchsurfing.org) and had myself a place with complete random strangers.

At that time, and that is last week Wednesday. Simply going to the supermarket was already to much. I saw things we shared. I saw couples with kids, I saw stuff we bought and I was like *puke* run home. The move from my crying bed towards a different country with complete strangers was like a lightning shock. I felt stunned.

I was literally piss scared, I had no references on couch surfing meaning no one could verify if I wasn't some sort of BPD monster in disguise. I had a place booked with 3 random strangers. I couldn't find the place, was piss scared, got there 22.30 at night in an alley way in Poland.

They let me in, ice was broken. Drinks on the table and told me, HARM! Tell us your story! Spoke till 2/3 in the morning. Awesome time. That day after, because I was in the same city my ex was in, I felt ~, I realized I was chasing a high, and by being active my emotions haven't caught up to me. On Thursday they did, and my ex sent me some nasty mail and I started crying hysterically in front of these strangers. They went WITH me ... . to the house of my ex (i went to the city where my ex lives, to wipe out the old memories and rewrite them with new ones). And they went with me to show me that I should not have irrational fears of this place. And that I should remember Poland for the greatness of it's people and don't let it ruined by some sick disturbed girl. I cannot tell you how much love and warmth that gave from complete random strangers.

Last friday I met an American investment banker while going for a guided tour to see the Schindlers factory. We hit it off, ended up in a restaurant, ended up in a pub, another pub. We met more strangers, and more talking about life. We met two girls, both had a liking in us individually. Talking for hours. Such an awkward feeling.

I exchanged phone numbers with the girl. We met again on Saturday, great time with our buddies there. Then the American got sick, and the girl and I decided to go for lunch on Sunday. That lunch ended up in a walk. That walk ended up in a boat trip on the river Wisla with the two of us, half an hour later we were hand in hand. Not much later, kissing. 2 hours later at her place. Spent the night there. Loads of talking, me about my ex, her about hers. She had to go back to her parents Monday morning and we walked through the town as a couple in love. Hugged each other for half an hour before she took the bus and she had a little tear.

I walked back to my couch surfers and was like thinking, what the heck just happened. I was here to replace my memories with my old ex with good times with new comrades and all out of a sudden I met this new girl which was 1) more attractive than my ex 2) more fireworks than my ex 3) better in bed than my ex. 4) and walking hands in hands kissing and all like in love teenagers through the city.

What the heck!

I never expected this.

Btw, going through the city, realizing people there only earn like 75 dollar cents the hour. Seeing the deprived rotten state of most places, so depressive. Some photo's I made there.







Point of all this?

You feel broken, you want to detach? Don't go keeping yourself busy so you don’t have to think about the past and hopefully months or years later the memories are so far gone that it’s just all forgotten. Because thats what Borderliners do.

FACE IT, head on. FACE IT. Let is smack you in the face. Cry, puke, whatever. GRIEVE. Mourn. But look at YOURSELF!

And couch surfing for me, was the experience of a life time, am I cured? No, do I still feel suicidal, yes I do, but I wouldnt want to have missed this opportunity. You feel lonely? Go couch surf, either host or with some one else. Doesn't matter if your 20/30/40/50/60 years old. I've seen people of all ages here. These people open their doors for you with open arms.

Perspective on life

Alan Watts

I've read a lot about BPD, personality disorders, about the sense of life, read some philosophical books, go to shrinks, doctors, and try mindfulness and all that. However, I am not such a, and I don't mean to cause any offense, but where i'm from that would be considered more in the "tree hugging" field. Pot smoking hippies, etc. So for me, most of that stuff is something which does not help me, and even more just make the situation around a break up of BPD, the uncertainty of was it me, how do I get out of this, only more brittle.

On the other side, you have the utter clueless friends who just mention, 'chin up', make sure you are always busy. Do stuff, go out, go meet people. However the underlying core of all these arguments are meant positively but they don't work. They don't help for detachment. Sticking your head in the sand, not processing or mourning a loss will eventually only haunt you back in a new friendship and relationship. Why? Because that's exactly why BPDers act like the way they do.

So after my break up with my looney BPD ex, I found myself, utterly lost. Self-confidence shattered (mental abuse, months of bashing on my head that Harm is doing everything wrong), in life (I thought this is what I wanted), in relationships (I thought the idealization phase is what I wanted forever and ever), in love (I thought, this, this BPD relationship, was love, couldn't be more wrong), in friends (I've lost friends over this r/s) etc. All out of a sudden you are in a black hole. A gap, you feel empty. So utterly empty. What to do? Career didn't feel satisfactory, going out didn't feel satisfactory, life didn't feel satisfactory anymore. Seeing girls felt like, no one can compare to my ex BPD r/s.

And then you are lying in bed, feeling life is so futile. So utterly useless. You feel like you don't matter in this world. So I thought, why continue? All my thoughts about love, relationship, friends, marriage and kids looked like I perceived them to be wrong. Meaning, I was wrong. I felt guilt, ashamed, towards family and friends. So much, that I was willing to pull the plug. Literally, I just wanted to dissolve. Pray that I would die in my sleep. The mental pain was to much of a burden and I was not strong enough to cut the life cord between my ex BPD and myself.

Then I tried to write as much emotions 'off', and watch inspirational video's. The thing that has helped the most were video's by Alan Watts. Little bit of inspiration Smiling (click to insert in post)

I can recommend everyone to watch these video's - Smiling (click to insert in post)

It really helped me to see life more in perspective. And from a different perspective and make me wonder and think about what I actually want in life. How to look at life, and don't push myself frantically in to searches to fill my own voids. Something I see so many times on this board, where people spike emotionally because they feel lonely, don't feel good enough and frantically go dating and show so much uncertainty. A frantic search to fill a void within yourself is bull~. Life is not about having a relationship. A relationship is not the sole purpose of life, it adds as extension not completion.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0PYcCsL6o

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I

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Borderliners actually have screwed up brains

I often read here, as a joke what people say, that BPDers have their brains wired differently. A malfunction in the brain. Well, I do think most people don't realize, brains of people with BPDers are actually literally different. They are 'not normal'. Classification... .   sick. Not healthy or not sane. Which also sheds light on the difficulty of therapy of working on people like this.

I've read my fair share on the actual neurological differences in regards of the brains of sociopaths and actually underwent a brain scan myself.  It's the insula which is screwed over in your brain. My brain was clean as a whistle, a 'nice looking' brain the neurologist said. Very perfectly shaped. I admit, that was a relief people. I'm not joking. The realization of a mental disorder can be traced back to the actual factual sense of your brain, after hearing all the b/s of my ex gf and knowingly my mother suffers from a mental disorder it was the time to have a check on it. Not sure if other people in America could do that for free, but here in the Netherlands we could Smiling (click to insert in post)

And if I know look at my ex BPD. And she speaks, she mails or write, I don't have the feeling I speak to a sane person. I feel like I speak to a disorder. I know this might sound very harsh but I couldn't weep a tear at all if she would die tomorrow. I'd say my condolences to her family purely out of respect, but other than that, no big deal. It's not that I wish her harm, or I wish her well. BPDers don't get institutionalized (rehab that is), which in my opinion, same as bipolar and all the other ones is a shame. They can't function normally in a world. I've literally seen my ex do so much damage, not just to myself, but also leave some other friends of her sometimes utterly clueless of what the **** is going on.

My mother, on the other hand, also has a mental disorder but did get institutionalized. If my mother would die tomorrow, I wouldn't mind. I know she is sick, she won't get better. You can tell from point to point that she suffers (also spoke with her about that and the doctors). Suffers to enjoy life that is. Again I'm not showing here a view that I want all sick people to die or pass away. Hell no, i'd be the first to say that all parents need help and guidance in regards of raising kids, that people don't start having kids at age 15 because that enhances the likelihood of kids being screwed up during their your youth majorly and I wouldn't mind the government helping out orphans, kids growing up without love, give money to churches and all to help raise awareness. I, as only son has full custody over her if she for example would get a stroke. I decided, in conjunction with the doctors that she will not get help the moment she will get a stroke. As in such a defribilatior, or whatever way you say so. For me it was a choice between, would I want her to suffer more (the odds of her coming out of a heart attack better than before are less than 0.000%) and she is already in a lot of pain from day to day.

However, BPDers do leave a path of destruction behind them, so I do hope she will only find 1 guy who takes all her crap and move 1000km's away so I would never ever hear from her again nor her friends or family. (as the family is also one of the core reasons why my ex BPD gf is so screwed up, as her family isn't entirely 'sane' either).

I never ever want any presence of a BPDers in my life, or people around BPDers until I pass away. I literally gain nothing from people like that in my life, they eat the living energy out of you. Wear you out. However, if the situation is thrown into my lap, I will do whatever I can to help them, assist them, and make sure they get the best treatment possible. Same as my mother. I do visit her. She gets good care Smiling (click to insert in post). But rewind 20 years back, where the question was, do we need to institutionalize Harm's mother, the question of course raised difficulties. How do you classify someone as not being able to 'function' in this world? My mother has done great psychological damage towards my father. My father still struggles to this day to live with this.

Staying friends with the BPDer

Why?

If not for having kids or sharing a business, why would you stay in contact with someone like BPD? You know for a fact they have different feelings in regards of shared experiences which you once thought to be 'loving memories' of the past and 'meant something'. Why fool yourself? Why live in a lie? Why hold on? Why want to put blame on her? Why?

Why would you attach specific feelings to something which you once shared with someone who doesn't attach feelings to this? That's ridiculous. You are not going to dress your dog like a fish and pretend it's a fish. And the moment you realize it's a dog, you'd be mourning and just, from time to time dress him a like a fish again, just to play foolish games with ur head. You are not your thoughts. I truly believe of no sole purpose of having a BPD person in ur life as a partner or a friend.

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2013, 07:10:12 PM »

Was your relationship special?

The BPD relationship was not true love. Having the sense that what you shared with your BPDer was special, well don't want to burst your bubble. It wasn't. So don't get taken away by a picture you keep of the both of you. It doesn't mean jack  to her. Why mourn of what you thought was love? Was special? Your creating your own tin foil hat and tell the world aliens are going to invade Earth. Thats how stupid it looks.

Was the sex special?

This is something I really struggled with. Really deep down, because you feel so intoxicated during the idealization phase that the sex was super intense. Well believe me, I can now tell i've had better.

Was it love?

BPDers don't experience love, and what you thought WAS love, was a projection. It's yet again stupid to hold on to a superstitious thought of what you once thought was what 'love should be'. Love shouldn't be what we xperienced in our BPD r/s. This wasn't love. None of experienced love in our r/s. Only self-love. Ego-love.

If we THINK or HOLD on to the thought of that this is love, and all the drama included, all our next relationships will s*ck horse dung.

Is it worth having a discussion with a BPDer?

it's per definition useless to talk to a BPDer. They change their opinion about you sooner than the speed of light. You might as well talk to a wall if you want to. At least a wall does not talk back.

I apologize for all having written this down, I just felt like i had to share it. This is the result of many talks with psychologist, neuroscientists, friends and strangers.

This is my literal process of detachment in optima forma.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2013, 07:16:17 PM »

Oh and as final touch... .

Are BPDers savable?

Heck no. I think it's one of the best jokes going around town here at the moment after all those nights of going out Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2013, 07:45:37 PM »

I'm glad you're doing better harm.

Good posts
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2013, 07:50:24 PM »

I'm glad you're doing better harm.

Good posts

Cheers. I havent been really active lately, but just had a bit time off and just wrote it all in 1 big chunk. Im not here yet, but the moment im back im going to open my house for couch surfers.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2013, 07:55:07 PM »

Keep in mind that, other experiences with couch surfers may not be as great as your first one. Everyone is different.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 07:59:19 PM »

Keep in mind that, other experiences with couch surfers may not be as great as your first one. Everyone is different.

Ive met over 7 couch surfing hosts here within 5 days. And got invites from them all. They were all good. From over the 100 experiences they had only 1 negative. A good reference is key.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 08:45:23 PM »

Wow. I'll make a point to try it at some point.

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 09:05:33 PM »

Thanks for the video suggestions harm. Big help.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2013, 01:12:41 AM »

Thanks for the video suggestions harm. Big help.

Ur welcome, there are more video's of him made in the same way. Very striking. The guy has been dead for like 40 years btw.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2013, 01:54:16 AM »

Harm!  I am so freakin' proud of you!  It'll be one step forward and another one back but you're on that journey and I am so impressed you're tackling this head on  Smiling (click to insert in post) x
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2013, 01:59:24 AM »

Harm!  I am so freakin' proud of you!  It'll be one step forward and another one back but you're on that journey and I am so impressed you're tackling this head on  Smiling (click to insert in post) x

Thanks dear Smiling (click to insert in post) ill be expecting a similar post like this from you the moment you do your volunteering in Africa Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2013, 07:54:21 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 10:02:06 AM »

Thanks Harm I really needed to read that because I am struggling through all the deluded thinking of what I really had with my ex-uBPD. Somehow everything you wrote confirmed everything I am feeling, thinking and trying to process.

At this point I have not consumed my life with other things. It's enough just working through the heartbreak and that what I perceived to be my 'soul mate' was just a hologram.

Thanks again, will have to re-read it all.
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 11:48:53 AM »

Thanks Harm I really needed to read that because I am struggling through all the deluded thinking of what I really had with my ex-uBPD. Somehow everything you wrote confirmed everything I am feeling, thinking and trying to process.

At this point I have not consumed my life with other things. It's enough just working through the heartbreak and that what I perceived to be my 'soul mate' was just a hologram.

Thanks again, will have to re-read it all.

I've read your story and its quite gut wrenching. The typical 'switch' behavior which left the both of us, completely and utterly clueless and all out of a sudden our exes go 'out' with old friends and have fun and leave us behind. Like nothing happened or ever mattered.
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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2013, 06:56:07 PM »

Hey Harm, great story... . thanks for sharing it.

The only part that I had a problem with... .   was hearing about 'couch surfing'... .

which is something my ex wanted to do and advertised her place to do it... .

When I saw it I almost threw up... .   and I don't think I have to explain why... .  

UGH... .

Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)... .   anyway... .   amazing story!
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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2013, 07:15:48 PM »

Hey Harm, great story... . thanks for sharing it.

The only part that I had a problem with... .   was hearing about 'couch surfing'... .

which is something my ex wanted to do and advertised her place to do it... .

When I saw it I almost threw up... .   and I don't think I have to explain why... .  

UGH... .

Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)... .   anyway... .   amazing story!

Don't get me wrong buddy, my ex is exactly doing the same! I already found the account of my ex BPD gf on couch surfing.

You know what else?

1) She lied about the town she is living in... .

2) She lied about her age... .

Do we need to say more? That girl I met here in Poland, i'm going out with her again on Saturday, to re-establish new levels of well, interest. Slowly though.

I remember saying to me here, Harm, flying away is flying away from your troubles. It's not facing them dead on.

No, this, this is facing my troubles dead on but also willing to sunk my claws into recovery.

Sitting at home, in the same (toxic) environment for the same riddle what you have been doing for years and years is not going to 'break you free'. I was SO scared I would do something to myself, that I basically invited myself through couch surfing as a 'request for inspiration'.

I'm not sure if you know the feeling, but when I arrived there, in the middle of a dark alleyway, climbed up the stairs, and 20 minutes later your sitting with complete random strangers but the feeling is so relaxed. It's so calm and they ask you politely, so mate, life story? Whats up! What are you doing here?

... .  

In seek of inspirational wisdom ... .

And that I don't need the normal pathway as in... . go out with your buddies at home, go continue your job, go shop same supermarket or drive same car, those are all triggers. Now I realize I have made tools during this trip to battle some of these triggers back home.

Holiday is not flight behavior, as long as you don't sit on your ass in a nice hotel. I went with some couch surfers to a hostel, for a party, and another party, and another party. Serious, did you think I wanted to do that? No ... . Serious ... . I didnt. But what did I have to lose? What? Nothing ... . And you know what? Every night out so far has been brilliant, hands down ... .

And only a mere boost of self confidence that I can get better than my ex BPD and that there was literally nothing so special about it, and that I don't have to seek for hours and hours of 'meat/flesh' control on 245x dating websites. If you can do it in real life, the rejection online is going to be less brutal. Because none of this was frantic, besides my flight to eastern europe.

Other than that, i'm just going with the flow and step by step realizing every day more and more she wasn't special. It wasn't love, pure projection and mirrage, and she was good at it, i went in it with both feet but there is more than her. I seriously thought I could never get better sex than I had with her. Well, that's already out of the window. Sex was purely her defense mechanism to keep me entangled.
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2013, 07:54:22 PM »

I wish I could do that... .   I thought I could out run my feelings about my ex and when we broke up the first time, less than a month later i went alone to Spain... .   no plans and rented a car and had quite an adventure... . but she was along with me in my mind... . I remember standing on the banks of some ancient and beautiful river by some incredible church listening to the most incredible live music ever, as I was screaming at the top of my lungs at my ex and very close to throwing the cell phone as far and hard as I could into the water.

She's in my mind... .   i let her back twice in a few weeks... .   and I ended it pretty straightforwardly... .   and she is even more stubborn than I am... .   she's not the type to acquiesce or back down from a position... . she doesn't do that... . What happens is I slightly change my position and we meet in the middle... . But this time, I'm just tired more than usual... . and like many of us have lingered way to long, going back and forth limiting damage until we just don't care anymore or we get hurt so badly we barely can move on.

For me right now... . I have determined the most important thing in my life... .   and that it's not really about her and maybe never was... .

I know the best thing in the world would be to establish a strict NC... . but it won't work yet... . I just don't work that way and I am too old to start that now... .  

I need to focus on work and I am lucky to be able to be doing art as work... . The challenge is to break past this as it's not exactly helping my creativity to say the least.  :'(

Great thread and I am happy to read a story such as yours.
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2013, 09:40:04 PM »

This is like one of the awesomest threads I have read.  Truly inspirational.  I'm favoriting this one so I can read it all later.
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