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« on: October 18, 2014, 12:49:11 PM »

My BPD-exgf still is in my sports team‘s WhatsApp-group chat (we use it to inform when we’re absent in practice/matches, when we’re ill, to put important dates in etc.), although she isn’t in the team anymore and even hates it very much - she left the team because she raged at my coach when she wasn't allowed to play due to tactical reasons... .tried to make him feel like it was his fault that she left, but I guess in truth she just felt ashamed of her bad behaviour that day. Anyway. So I decided to don’t write in the group anymore that she could get no information from me anymore. I’ve been doing this for two weeks now and I feel like it’s helping me a lot in recovery. So whenever there’s something up regarding the sports team I write my coach privately.

Today we had a match, but I couldn’t attend because I’ve got a cold so I texted my coach this morning that I wouldn’t be there. Seems he didn’t tell the team because just before the match started some team mate texted in the group „misty_red, where are you?“. I don’t know why, but it feels like I broke NC now. It feels like the exgf got some information about me even though it was only a question. I’m kinda mad and I shouldn’t be. It’s not my team mate’s fault. I just feel so weak again. Like I broke NC. But I didn’t. I didn’t even answer the team mate in the group chat, but I did privately in WhatsApp. Now I guess the exgf suspects that I’m doing it because of her. That I’m avoiding writing in the group because of her. She’s very intelligent, she’ll get it now, I’m sure. Before there were no answers directed at me personally, so me not writing in the group didn’t attract much attention. But now it’s different. I just feel like the exgf got some supply out of it. If she knows now I’m doing this because of her I mean.

I’m angry, I’m sad, I feel low again. One good thing came out of it though: if this already makes me feel ___ty then I know for sure really breaking NC would make me feel much more ___ty. So I’m not compelled to do so. Anyway.

Do you think it gave her some supply or satisfaction? I’m so pissed right now and I don’t even know at whom. At my team mate for acknowledging me (I shouldn’t, it’s really not her fault), at myself for being so stubborn/childish and not writing in the group (although I think it helps me a lot) or at the exgf for just being an assh*le (I know she's suffering a lot herself, no offence) in the first place… I felt like really getting better and now I am sad and angry. I hope the feeling will be brushed off by tomorrow and I can go on with healing.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2014, 03:39:23 PM »

I'm sorry your feeling low right now. It's understandble that you want to remain in NC without any information getting out. You have a WhatsApp-group chat app. Your ex is in the chat and you have been privately messaging your coach.

Let's look at the facts. You sent a private message to your coach. Your coach may of been busy with something and didn't tell the team that you're going to be absent. A teammate noticed that your not there and sent a message broadcasted to the group.

I would take this as for what it is. It's not enough personal information about you if she looked at the message. You're in control of your actions and no one elses.

You sent the message privately. You're not in control of the actions after that. You can radically accept that she may of received the messages and it wasn't your intention.

Radical acceptance would be to accept reality for what it is. The message was sent and you had no control. It's also technology and your ex is in the chat and can't ask her to remove herself from it. I don't see this as breaking "no contact" I hope that helps.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2014, 03:42:10 AM »

Mutt, you are right. It happened and that's it. No intentions on my side so it should be fine.

Oh, and she actually is able to remove herself from the group, she just didn't do it. But she knows exactly that she's able to.

But there's something still bothering me: Yesterday evening I had a talk with some team mate. She wrote me because she was worried because I was absent. Thing is: my coach didn't receive my text message. So noone knew what was going on. They all were worried. And I feel so ashamed because it seems just like some stupid act a BPD (the x used to do such things sometimes) would purposely do to gather attention but it wasn't even on purpose. I really wrote the message, it just didn't come through to him. I hate causing attention. I feel so ashamed now... .  Whatever. So my team mate said "Well, maybe we can take your ex out of the group." I'm afraid they really are going to do. Don't get me wrong, I'd love her being out. But I'd prefer her going out on her own and not being forced by someone else. She'll definetely know it's because of me and that would definetely mean lots of DRAMA. I'm afraid hell then will break loose. She'd see it as a smear campaing and would be sure I told them EVERYTHING about her - which I didn't. Only two close team mates know a tiny bit of what actually happened. I made sure not to smear her at all. Now I'm afraid... .She then will definetely think I took revenge but I didn't. Oh I hate how these things are turning. These people are even causing problems emotionally when not around. And that's also the only reason she's still in that damn group - that I'm sure of. I'm angry now... .
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2014, 08:07:55 AM »

I understand you that you feel  worried. I used to worry alot about things that are outside of my control before I got here.

I'd like to share a tool that I find recenters me and relieves anxiety and stress with situations that I can't control. It makes me feel better, calm. I still worry of course from time to time and she I catch myself I practice Radical Acceptance developed by Marsha Linehan, PhD. It is a powerful tool that is based on ancient zen philosophy.

You have the choice to worry about things that you can't control or accept it.

You sent a private message and as I pointed out it's technology and it's not always perfect. It could of been a server problem with Whatsapp.

I also understand that you don't want to draw attention to yourself with your mates. Some have a little knowledge.

Fact is, you could say the nicest things about your ex. Feelings are facts to a pwBPD. Not facts followed by feelings. It depends on how she feels. So, if she sees you as "all bad" and your intentions are friendly, she interprets it with how she feels.

You can't control how she interprets things based on how she feels. If it worries you that you're drawing attention and you may have to explain what happened. It's difficult for people to understand BPD.

The difficulty lies because she's acting normal in public? The acting out happens when we're alone with our gf and spouses. Behind closed doors and people don't see this.

Often I tried to explain my exe's behaviors I looked crazy. I felt even more frustrated.  BPD is triggered by intimacy do the people closest to them see the behaviors.

The best strategy in a smear campaign is radio silence with your ex because it will die down.  I also understand that you think she's thinking you're smearing her and you're not. From my experience in my life, my ex wouldn't understand a smear campaign from a non. It is based on her feelings, how she feels.

Don't justify, explain or defend your position or actions in what happened in your relationship if mates ask. I set a personal boundary with family members and friends when I was asked about her.

You'll find that your friends will respect your boundary and feelings by telling them you're going through a break-up and you you're not feeling up to talking about her and hope that they understand. They'll know it's a subject your uncomfortable with and should accept it without feeling insulted.

Here's a little more on Radical Acceptance. Remember you're causing your own anxiety about worrying. You can continue feeling anxiety or change how you feel about reality and accept it. You'll feel better. You can't control things outside of your control. You have control over how you react to it. I hope that helps.

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Radical acceptance was developed by Marsha Linehan, PhD. from the University of Washington (see article) and is based on the ancient Zen philosophy that each moment is complete by itself, and that the world is perfect as it is. Zen focuses on acceptance, validation, and tolerance instead of change.  Mindfulness is “allowing” experiences rather than suppressing or avoiding them. It is the intentional process of observing, describing, and participating in reality non-judgmentally, in the moment, and with effectiveness. Etherial as it may sound, Linehan's methods have been independently studied by clinical researchers and shown to be effective.

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When faced with a painful situation, you really have only 4 options:

* Solve the problem.

* Change how you feel about the problem.

* Accept it.

* Stay miserable; continue to be a victim.

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