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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2014, 07:39:48 PM »

No, Mutt. I know I have ownership in the failing of the relationship... .it does take two.

However, I meant I no behaviors can be changed in the relationship... .as the relationship no longer exists.

I think I brought a lot to the table.

Why are you disappointed?  :'(



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« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2014, 07:46:45 PM »

Why are you disappointed?  :'(

I'm disappointed in the value you put in education on him and your missing the big picture. This relationship is done and you grieve the death of a relationship. It's very confusing when your partner is a personality disorder type and painful. You read through the material for BPD and learn to make sense of what happened.

Everyone's different with different circumstances. If you look at this thread I see two themes that stick out for you. Enabling and control. Those behaviors can be changed for the next one. Or, you repeat your behaviors.  Being cool (click to insert in post)

Peace.

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2014, 01:18:41 PM »

Thanks for keeping it real Mutt  Smiling (click to insert in post)

The PD does make it a lot more difficult and confusing, but ultimately the end is still the same... .the end.

I got a T and will continue to work on me and not "saving people."

Ultimately, I can't and couldn't save him from himself... .all I can do is focus on me.

Thank you for all your support! I'm doing my best... .one day at a time.

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2014, 01:44:26 PM »

Thanks lovethebeach!

You're young. I've gone through more than one toxic r/s and the last one was with a personality disordered individual. It was like getting hit by an 18-wheeler. I learned the hard way. I'd like to offer advice to lessen your odds with suffering down the road  I was the same -- a rescuer and that's how I got into trouble.
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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2014, 01:56:14 PM »

It definitely is like getting hit by an 18 wheeler. Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)

Plus, it is difficult to explain to family/friends because of the PD.  But that's why this community is here 

I am hoping that this relationship, or ending of it moreover ... .is the catalyst that I needed to take a hard look at myself, before I end up further down the line with much more invested (i.e: kids, equity, etc.)

May I ask, how you stopped "rescuing?" I think if I have that desire in the future... .it's time to run in the other direction  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)

I just can't go through this pain again. I don't want too and so I'll do whatever I can to ensure I don't.

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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2014, 03:00:46 PM »

I am hoping that this relationship, or ending of it moreover ... .is the catalyst that I needed to take a hard look at myself, before I end up further down the line with much more invested (i.e: kids, equity, etc.)

That's the thing. It gets more difficult and complicated when you have equity and kids. A high-conflict personality or borderline personality disordered person is a nightmare in court. You can check the legal and co-parenting to see the potential conflict.

I read a lot of material and posts on the forums (it's all here) I read the article about co-dependency and it mentioned that often a parent is ill. My mother died from cancer when I was 8 and my father was absent, strict disciplinarian, would split me black, controlling, didn't show love and made the home feel like it was a prison. It was here I identified that I'm co-dependent. The idealization phase from my ex felt like a drug and it felt like she was giving me the attention I liked from my father and childhood.

I read as much as I could about borderline personality disorder to untangle this confusing experience I had in the last 7 years. I had a young family (SD3,S6,D8) and was forced to go into bankruptcy because my ex has me split black. She wouldn't allow access to the kids so I had to fight her in court where people with borderline personality disorder make it very difficult. It's hard to see your kids living with someone with a mental illness that aren't taking care of themselves and is being emotionally abusive to your kids. I had to get healthy and be their emotional safe zone, their rock. When you're split black, you are devalued and you absolutely cannot reason with your partner.

That said, by learning about BPD, it's two fold. I read until it finally sunk in. It's to depersonalize the behaviors and I can see negative behaviors clearly because I'm detached and I did the work. So when my wife sends me an email I can identify, emotional blackmail, triangulation, dissociation etc and also understand that she's either in one of two subroles Queen, Waif. So if she's in Waif I don't rescue. She has not been diagnosed to my understanding and it's being able to identify when someone abuses you and is trying to get sympathy, it's Waif-like behavior that I can protect myself from with boundaries. If she does X, I respond with Y.

I also had to detach and get out of the FOG to see the relationship in a different and healthier perspective.

I see the behaviors in the work-place. I see some narcissism and I see FOG from some people and I see a lot of passive aggressive behaviors and triangulation. Having learned the psychoanalytical psychology with BPD I see the behaviors in real life. I can tell when someone projects or I'm triangulated etc If someone is displaying these types of negative behaviors, it's not someone that I want as an intimate partner or as a close acquaintance. I'm a good man with good qualities and deserve better. Boundaries in a simple explanation is to keep the good stuff in (me!) and the bad stuff out.

I owned that I'm codependent ( I'm not saying that all members are co-dependents, we all come from different family backgrounds and situations that led us to bpdfamily ) and I have controlling behaviors and sometimes it's difficult to self sooth. Soothing for me was trying to fix everything for everyone and now I do more self care and identify my triggers and self sooth. It's a work in progress and such is life. You never stop learning. 

Owning it I think is the first step. Then acting on it   Something I felt great shame in now is a source of strength when you admit your faults.
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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2014, 05:25:58 PM »

My father is a narcissist who left the house a few years ago after a messy split between my parents. My mother may have BPD (some form on mental illness) as she controls, splits black, and is a waif. While both are un-diagnosed, both parents often put their needs before my own. I suppose that's where it all started for me.

I have detached. It's a process. I definitely feel as though I can see things more clearly now, but I know there is more to be learned.

"Soothing for me was trying to fix everything for everyone and now I do more self care and identify my triggers and self sooth. It's a work in progress and such is life. You never stop learning"

That is EXACTLY IT. I'm trying my best to act on it and I have therapy scheduled. I can identify the roots, I just want to ensure that I don't end up in a similar situation down the road.

I saw the red flags. I INTRODUCED HIM TO BPD/NPD and I knew going in his family dynamic... .yet, I continued down the path. Wishing. Hoping. Praying for a different outcome.

This really is like kicking an addiction. One day at a time.

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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2014, 06:45:29 PM »

I'm sorry to hear about your NPD dad and uBPD mom  

You and I are a product of our environment. It's not our fault. My dad really did a number on my self worth and self esteem and invalidated the valid.

I'm a smart guy and was always told "I think different" "I think too much" and I think it's my families insecurities. Don't let someone's opinion define you for who you are.

Being smart is a part of my personality and I embrace that contrary to my families invalidations. When my ex left I thought I've lost everything and this is hard. How do I get out of this mess and get the kids back from her when she's denying me visitation and has all these crazy accusations about me? I lost my kids!  What qualities fo I own? I'm smart and I'll use it to figure this out to get the kids back ( didn't know about BPD quite yet )

Have you checked the healing board? After I read about BPD I connected the dots with my ex wife I could see similarities with my dad.

For me, it was important to sort the past to make sense of the present. I also agree it's  difficult and feels like an addiction. It really does get better and well worth the hard work lovethebeach I'm happy you found us. You have many good qualities and I hope you ket those shine through. Be who you really are and go the whole way!
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2014, 10:22:46 PM »

I think my intelligence got me through very difficult times. As a child, I never blamed myself for my parents' actions or their craziness and I was lucky enough to have the stability of my grandparents in my life.

I can definitely see the connections between my ex and my parents. He was a mix of both parents. My dad was very self motivated, and my mom was always in need of help. Its like I kept trying to repeat the past with a "happy ending." Maybe subconsciously even... .because the "pull" I feel towards him isn't healthy. It wasn't a partnership. I was the care taker.

But I think more work needs to be done in order to fully understand it all. The past has a profound effect on us

Thank you for all your words of encouragement and support! They mean so much!



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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2014, 10:48:15 PM »

You're welcome. I"m with you on intelligence, it's how I survived many things in life. I'm not sure if I said my dad has narcissistic traits? His mom had BPD traits. I believe my past ( his lack of love) led me to the path of a pwBPD ( idealization ). Her validation in the beginning was what I lacked ( self validation ) I had enough with toxic r/s's and I don't want to get blindsided by an 18-wheeler again Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) I'm simply done. I deserve better! It's a process lovethebeach keep digging and be aware that this stuff takes time.

It's different reasons for everyone. I've gone through divorce for example and I'll use it as another example of many. It's incredibly difficult - a life event and sometimes we're so hurt we don't see the    Some like myself it starts at your FOO ( family of origin)

Thank you for this opportunity for the wonderful chat  Being cool (click to insert in post)
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