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« on: January 29, 2015, 09:13:16 AM »

i tried to b/u with my BPDbf (in an recycle) last night. I failed.  I think the only thing at this point that he is somewhat understanding of is that I cannot get over or get past his cheating and lying. So I am trying to make this a "me" issue and not a "you're bat___ crazy get the eff away from me" issue.  If I can convince him that I am the one with issues, I am hoping he will let me go when I say I can't do it anymore without him stalking me. I do say when, because I just don't see this working.

I feel HORRIBLE though because I feel like this time he was really really trying hard. He was all-in. I could tell he was, but I am just not there anymore. I'm stronger and out of the FOG.

Funny thing- he accused me pre-emptively dumping him because I was scared it was what he was going to do to me. True.  It is moments like that where he makes me think and feel like I am the BPD one... .but I'm not.

I don't know what to do though. We are supposed to go to a concert in Philly tonight. I bought tickets for it about a month ago. I didn't tell him I was buying tickets, but when I asked him to go I immediately got "well who did you buy the tickets for? I am sure you didn't have me in mind"... .I don't know a*hole. It was a concert I wanted to see and i figured I could find someone to go with me... .but I had originally hoped it would be him. But i never know if he'll still be with me one minute to the next.  SO- tonight is concert night. he and I are already arguing thru texts this morning.

I AM SO SICK OF ARGUING ABOUT STUPID ___.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2015, 09:25:18 AM »

It sounds like you are in a really difficult spot.   

I understand how you are concerned about his needs and worried about letting him go. 

Your needs are important as well. What do you really want for yourself? 

Thinking through this and asking yourself some questions can really help with your situation.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2015, 09:45:08 AM »

I used to tell him that all I wanted was HIM. NO MORE!

Now I know what I want... .and I have told him this:

I want a mature, secure, honest, open, loving relationship with someone who wants the same thing and is not afraid to put someone else's needs/feelings before their own (I have a daughter too- so this is important).

I am reasonably certain that he will never be capable of being mature, secure, honest, open, and loving.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2015, 09:48:14 AM »

and he will never ever be able to put someone else's needs before his own.

Part of what I want is to eventually get remarried, and possibly have another child. I cannot imagine getting married to him and having children with him. I think I would be miserable and the damage he would do to a child-- I am not sure I could live with myself knowing that I willingly put a child into a position of having a parent as verbally abusive as him.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2015, 10:01:44 AM »

Wow, cloudten --

Your example of buying tix for a show that you wanted to see, knowing that you could find a friend to go with -- SO familiar to me! My uBPDxgf did exactly the same crap (pardon my French, but that's what it is) -- like, what if we wanted our SO to come with us, but it turned out to be an act that they weren't interested in? should they have to attend because we want them to? Ummmm -- yeah -- I guess, that. In my case, when the tables were turned -- my ex wanted to go see Usher or someone, and I told her -- go, have fun, not my thang -- so she got mad at me. Apparently, that's rejection. Which, I'm sure, is a form of abuse. I guess not one of her other 10,000 close friends would have been available or interested to go with her -- not that she asked a single one, mind you. It was easier (more fun?) to be mad at me, I guess. 

I haven't read your background -- how long have you been dating your bf? Do you expect this to change? You mention a recycle, and indicate that you can tell he's trying, but it still doesn't seem to be working. It also sounds like you've arrived at some realizations yourself, maybe about what you want out of a relationship, and what you deserve.

The thing is -- it's not a crime to end a relationship. They don't all work out. Some of them can't work out. Sometimes there's a reason. Other times, it's just a feeling, or a lack of a feeling. My uBPDxgf has spent ungodly amounts of time, energy, anger and breath trying to make me feel like I've committed some kind of crime for breaking up with her, going as far as to accuse me now of conjuring up the whole r-ship, never really loving her, never giving a damn about anything except my own feelings, essentially choosing to devote all of my free time, money and energy to her for THREE YEARS -- just to trick her so I could sleep with her, and then dump her. Like I have time for any of that, let alone any interest in treating anyone like that -- let alone someone I fell in love with. Yet, she doesn't understand how that accusation could hurt me -- because, remember, I dumped her, making me guilty of "love fraud" -- apparently a criminal offense these days. So, I have no claim to any hurt feelings. She remains the Victim Princess.   (Nevermind that throughout the r-ship, she consistently accused me of flirting with other women, and when I'd enforce a personal boundary (like trying to avoid a pointless hurtful argument by telling her I thought we should talk about something at a later time), she'd accuse me of subjecting her to the silent treatment (again, a form of abuse in her world), which must be because I was cheating on her, because no one could ever get upset by her behavior, right? There'd have to be an "other woman" -- why else would I choose to leave this kind of relationship?

At least, that's how everything works in Bippiddee Land, the Town that Reason Forgot.

Sorry for all the ranting and pukees -- silly as it was, your example just hit so close to home. I'm sorry you're going through this. I know how it feels to love someone, and know how happy you can be together, and look forward to seeing them and spending time with them, only to see it constantly get derailed by unnecessary, negative emotional nonsense. I tried for three years with my ex -- then I finally left.

What really prompted me to respond to your post was where you said "If I can convince him that I am the one with issues, I am hoping he will let me go when I say I can't do it anymore without him stalking me." Because I struggled with the same thing with my ex -- worrying about all of the fallout that would result from leaving her. I can even admit that I let my fears about how she would react keep me in the r-ship way beyond the time that I should have left it. In the end -- no different result. It ended. And, the longer a r-ship lasts, the more difficult it tends to be to end it (that's just experience talking, as I'm pretty sure I have a few years on you).

And I've also been on the receiving end of the stalking thing, too -- it helps to remember this: It's illegal. I can tell from your post that you don't want to cause any trouble for your bf, and you don't wish him ill -- you simply want to be left alone,. Which is your right. And if he won't honor that, you can have it enforced. I had to have a policeman call my ex and tell her that if she didn't leave me alone, she was going to be charged with harassment. I didn't want to do it, but it was the only thing that stopped the endless txts, calls, emails, online posts, drive-bys, etc. It's really unsettling when someone refuses to honor the fundamental right that everyone has not be forced to do things they choose not to do. So, if you do decide that it's over, tell him, and tell him that you don't want to be contacted -- if he doesn't listen to you, report his behavior. Believe it or not, sadly, LE deals with this kind of craziness way more than you or I might think.

I AM SO SICK OF ARGUING ABOUT STUPID.

Right? I feel ya. So, what's stopping you from stopping?
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2015, 11:58:12 AM »

Funny thing- he accused me pre-emptively dumping him because I was scared it was what he was going to do to me. True.  It is moments like that where he makes me think and feel like I am the BPD one... .but I'm not.

Similarly, mine accused me of self-sabotaging our relationship (after her wrong perception to a sequence of events that I was breaking up with her).  I was taken aback by this bizarre accusation.  I had never even heard of this strange concept of self sabotaging one's relationship.  She was apparently quite familiar with it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2015, 11:59:47 AM »

I am reasonably certain that he will never be capable of being mature, secure, honest, open, and loving.

Yeah, mine is not capable of this for more than 4 weeks max.  BPD is such a ridiculous thing.   
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2015, 02:36:22 PM »

Tim- Yeah we have a 3 week loop going on for 2.5 years. We just started seeing each other again 3 weeks ago.  Yes, I didn't catch it when we first started dating-    - woops... .but he literally told me "I seem to destroy every relationship I'm in"... .Of course being dumb I though "Oh that will not happen with me."  Boy was I dumb.

LMAO Bippiddee Land... .so funny.

I think what is stopping me from stopping at this point is that I want to leave no stone unturned. I truly love him more than life itself. I believe he is really trying hard this time.  I feel like I owe it to him and to myself to try again... .but maybe the stumbling block this time is me. Maybe there has been too much damage done. Maybe it has all grown exponentially. I am out of the FOG, I can see him and his behavior for what it is... .and I love him, but maybe I just can't be with him. So, I feel like this is my last real try. Frankly, I'm not trying all that hard. I have been broken, beaten, and destroyed so much so that I don't feel like I will ever be able to be in a relationship ever again... .and i mean ever. *sigh* it just all effing sucks.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2015, 04:28:21 PM »

Yeah. I know. It does suck. It truly, truly sucks. Ever watch the Brit-com series "Snuffbox"? It's what one of the characters would likely call being in "f**k city."

I know feeling of thinking it will never be the same again, with anyone, so why bother. Again, I'm older -- try to trust me on this one. You will be fine, again. And the sooner you make the choice that is right for you, the closer you'll be to fine. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2015, 01:10:57 AM »

At least, that's how everything works in Bippiddee Land, the Town that Reason Forgot.

This isn't funny... .

... .it's HILARIOUS.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2015, 09:37:10 AM »

  Happy to have been able to get a chuckle out of y'all. Hang in there! It's Friday!
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 02:07:44 PM »

Funny thing- he accused me pre-emptively dumping him because I was scared it was what he was going to do to me. True.  It is moments like that where he makes me think and feel like I am the BPD one... .but I'm not.

Similarly, mine accused me of self-sabotaging our relationship (after her wrong perception to a sequence of events that I was breaking up with her).  I was taken aback by this bizarre accusation.  I had never even heard of this strange concept of self sabotaging one's relationship.  She was apparently quite familiar with it.

I'm so glad I stumbled across this post I honestly thought I was the only one this happened to . Long story short me and my ex BPD gf had been arguing a fair bit plus I caught her out in a lie so looking back now I'm out of the FOG she had planned to break up with me before I could abandon her and b/u so we agreed to have a break that was her way of breaking up with me unbeknown to me at the time . So 2 days after the agreed break I think she started to regret it to the fear of being alone then rang me on my way to work and acussed me of lots of things that didn't happen again looking back she done this out of panic and fear that Id abandoned her ! She got that bad and said so many horrible things to me I ended it for good out of hurt and frustraightsion . She them accused me of planing the b/u ! Even though she was breaking up with me anyway 2 days before hand as she even said a month after the b/u she had no intention of getting back together with me anyway ! 3 months on and still with her new bf had an influx of calls and texts in the last week I think she's starting to devalue him but we will see .
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 08:20:27 PM »

Stay strong. She cannot offer him anything that she didn't already offer you. If she is contacting you while she is with another man, she is showing you who she really is. BELIEVE HER. If she will cheat on him, she will cheat on you.

My BPD goes on "breaks" with all of his gfs. Every break results in him being with someone else and him b/u with whomever he is currently with. I think lots of BPDs like "breaks" because they use it as excuse to do horrible things with less guilt. STAY strong! We're here for you!
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