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« on: August 29, 2015, 03:35:13 PM »

Found myself questioning whether or not I got the outcome correct.  Was she really that bad or was I just ungrateful and unaware of how many wonderful things she did.  Things don't feel good anymore.  I don't see a happy future.  I wished I could have kept my mouth shut... .

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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2015, 04:05:09 PM »

I wished I could have kept my mouth shut... .

About what? The truths you saw, your feelings, the changes that could be made?

Are you taking some of this on as another form of avoidance/denial?

Are you more sorry you didn't get the outcome you'd prefer than for speaking up?
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2015, 05:51:45 PM »

I wished I could have kept my mouth shut... .

About what? The truths you saw, your feelings, the changes that could be made?

Are you taking some of this on as another form of avoidance/denial?

Are you more sorry you didn't get the outcome you'd prefer than for speaking up?

About what?  The truths you saw, your feelings, the changes that could be made? 

Ya, I wished I could have just gone with the flow.  As I continue to ready my move (she has already moved) I continually see more evidence of all the loving energy and thought she invested into the marriage.  I honestly was not fully present when she was doing all of this.  I was emotionally checked out or otherwise unavailable for some of it.  Just my baggage that I came to the marriage with.

During the course of our marriage, I completed EMDR on some significant childhood memories and I became free of an incredible black hole of emotions that literally prevented me from seeing, talking and feeling about so many things going on around and inside of me.  A part of this was, I remember her being so upset with me that I would not join her in H.H. related tasks.  I also remember her keeping me at arms distance from her when I tried to join with her in doing it.  That behavior just ended up re-triggering me over and over until I started to get to the bottom of what was going on.

In some way, she was doing all these loving things on a different plane of consciousness.  It was about our marriage, but not always for it.  It is like some element of it all was a script she was reading from.  As I go through our belongings and see all the wonderful things that she accomplished I am feeling moments of why couldn't I just be quiet and accept who she is.  I know the answer; because she was abusing me and twisting a part of all of what she did into a form of control.  My PTSD was a perfect mechanism to work through, made me ripe to be controlled. 

As I process all of this it is still has moments of feeling so bewildering.  She frantically urged me into therapy.  She could see I was not right.  I pushed back, hard.  Circumstances made it so I ended up doing the work.  Once I got some clarity and could see what was happening with us, I tried to begin to turn the ship in the right direction.  But her responses to me were so mixed.  On the one hand, she genuinely wanted me to get better so that we could have the life we were planning together, and she was happy that I took the medicine so to speak.  On the other hand, I think she wanted me to stay sick.  It was a form of safety for her; control and belittling and financial superiority. 

Further, I always knew there was something not right with me, I just had no clue what it was and denied the PTSD diagnosis.  When I got better, I saw that she her analysis of me was right and I also saw where she was leading me around by the short and curlys.  All of her efforts of pushing me to get better were cushioned in the context of achieving our life goals.  I was so excited to be growing in the right direction.  I thought she would be too.  I think she was excited and happy about all my personal growth but it left only one half of the problem addressed. 

Little did I acknowledge that while she was willing to help me with my problems, she would have little of the same for herself.  She tried, she really did; but like me not seeing what was going on earlier in the marriage, she didn't see her role.  And I thought I was doing the right thing standing up to the situation and addressing it straight on utilizing my newfound strength and owning the person I had become.  That is what I wished I had shut my mouth about.

Are you taking some of this on as another form of avoidance/denial? 

Most definitely.  Avoidance of the pain I presently feel.  Mostly in the form of loneliness and broken dreams.  At times, I fantasized about leaving and going out on my own but did not have but a dream to base it all on.  Now that I am here, this is not a dream.  I am preparing for a 1 week vacation and only recently realized I am vacationing alone.  It's OK, I am sure it will be fine but I really enjoyed the companionship of someone else in my life, even a broken companionship.  Life is not meant to be lived alone. 

The other part is that I do not know what my purpose for living is.  I always thought I would be a Dad.  That is what I have worked for all my years.  That is what she and I were working for.  I thought my changes would have made that possible.  So close. 

I still want my nest.  People in my age group are celebrating being empty nesters.  I thought she did too, but I am not so sure anymore.  She claims I just put up roadblocks to achieving that goal and would have none of my telling her that our marriage needed stability.  Or more accurately, could only provide the stability that she was able to see and work on.  I suppose her internalization of my words converted into her trying harder to do the things that she could do well; H.H. related items.  She was really good at it.  Which brings me to back to cleaning the house today and seeing all that she did do.  I know there was a genuine desire on both our parts.

Are you more sorry you didn't get the outcome you'd prefer than for speaking up? 

I guess in a way I am.  The only part of saying that which I cannot honestly reconcile is that achieving the family goal may not have been what I would have wanted in the context of a pwBPD traits.

We wanted the same things but saw that successfully achieving our goals looked differently.

Funny how quick my mind can change.  This morning I woke up thinking, better to be alone and have one person respect me than to be together and have no one respect me.  Then this afternoon when all I can feel is, I have no idea why I am in this world and what should I do now.

This is a long reply, but your questions were very pointed and got me right to the heart of the issue.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 08:08:51 AM »

Found myself questioning whether or not I got the outcome correct.  Was she really that bad or was I just ungrateful and unaware of how many wonderful things she did.  Things don't feel good anymore.  I don't see a happy future.  I wished I could have kept my mouth shut... .

Anyone relate to this?

Reconciling this was a year-long journey for me. After the b/u I "split" her into two people in my mind - a common occurrence from what I've read here. The "good" her was sweet, kind and wonderful - funny, charming, gentle and a joy to spend time with. The "bad" her was unaffectionate, avoidant, unfaithful, a liar... .how could one person be all of these things? I would bounce back and forth between these two lenses (Good:  I MISS her! God, is it me? She was wonderful! There was so much that was good in the r/s!  Bad: What the heck? She's nuts! How did I put up with the disrespect and abuse for so long? Thank God she's gone and I can pick up the pieces of my life!)

Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth... .and a lot of posting on these boards. My healing really began when I finally accepted that, somehow, all of these opposing characteristics COULD be rolled up into one person. The sweet kind and wonderful persona was her way of inducing people to love her. The unaffectionate, cold, disloyal was part and parcel of the disorder... .most people don't turn on those they love in such destructive ways.

I'm a little over a year post b/u (8 year r/s) and this is where I'm at: I see her holistically now. There are some incredibly wonderful things about her that I still miss and probably always will.  But with those she is emotionally intimate with, she is incredibly destructive and, for that reason, I am very glad that I'm out of the r/s.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2015, 10:54:42 AM »

Its correct.  Stay away.  Im really starting to see the damage these people can, and will do.  We are nothing to them.  They move on and replace as soon as youre not needed.  Dont beat yourself up, they are not right in the head.  And sacrificing yourself in order to keep them happy is crazy.

It amazes me the people that want to sty in there relatiosnhips.  I mean, why would you live miserably, sacrificing all you are to appease this?

I for one, mentally ill or not, fukin hate them!
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2015, 01:01:33 PM »

Its correct.  Stay away.  Im really starting to see the damage these people can, and will do.  We are nothing to them.  They move on and replace as soon as youre not needed.  Dont beat yourself up, they are not right in the head.  And sacrificing yourself in order to keep them happy is crazy.

It amazes me the people that want to sty in there relatiosnhips.  I mean, why would you live miserably, sacrificing all you are to appease this?

I for one, mentally ill or not, fukin hate them!

In my research about personality disorders i have found a lot of "success" stories, i think if people truly realize they have a problem and how it have affected their whole life they will try to make a effort to change or at least have more control.

I started to make my peace and imo hate feelings just keep us attached   with that said i will probably avoid people with this problems.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 05:59:44 PM »

Thanks for the reply, joeramabeme, you sound really self aware and it's great you've already put so much work in on bettering yourself. Very thoughtful answers, which gets me to ask: Are you able to have such deep discussions with her, and express yourself as well? Is it still possible/would she be willing to? Not sure there's much you could do about the past, but today and from now on are very doable. Please believe in yourself!
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2015, 09:41:24 PM »

Thanks for the reply, joeramabeme, you sound really self aware and it's great you've already put so much work in on bettering yourself. Very thoughtful answers, which gets me to ask: Are you able to have such deep discussions with her, and express yourself as well? Is it still possible/would she be willing to? Not sure there's much you could do about the past, but today and from now on are very doable. Please believe in yourself!

Myself, thanks for replying.  I have had this level of self awareness and ability to articulate my inner thoughts for some time now; years.  She used to constantly tell me “I don’t understand what you are saying” in a frantic and somewhat biting and belligerent tone.  I would restate things 3 different ways with no progress until she couldn’t avoid acknowledging what I was saying and then would change the topic if she did not want to deal with it.

I have been wondering if she is willing to talk about it all.  My strong sense is that she is not and will not be for some time to come, maybe not ever.  I am a little over 1 month since separation and think I am starting to have a better handle on some of what she was unhappy about.  This is creating the condition for my self-doubt to grow.   Even so, there is still the whole issue of disordered traits that is hard to get around, the proverbial elephant in the room.  So while there may still be love in her, it is buried under some deep stuff.  Just not sure what I can say to her that would help remove the emotional overburden or even have her acknowledge that she has any.

Her primary stated unhappiness all throughout the marriage was that she needed things to be 50-50.  I honestly felt that this was a defensive reaction to her insecurity which I tried to allay.  But there was also truth to what she said.  Financially she was well ahead of me and I could not really catch up with her, even though I tried and met with decent success.  She wanted me to do more, which I could have but chose to look at us as a unit rather than sum of the parts.  To her point, she probably felt like I was taking advantage of the situation.  Part of that was due to my not fully committing to be as responsible as I could be.  But other than financial equality, we were more than 50-50 fair.

There were various other garden variety marital stuff she hated.  Feeling now like I did not take that seriously enough either.  With the PD involved, it felt like one big nag and I could not decipher what was emotional noise and what was truth.

Think I am going to write a letter to her this week.  Not sure what I am going to say but want to check in with her to see if there is still life in her heart for us.  I still have no clue of what her future vision is for herself and why she was so anxious to quickly process our divorce (which is still pending).  Maybe she is seeing someone and in love.  I don't think so.  It is just like a switch flipped for her and she could not get away fast enough and could see no good things about us.  Those behaviors in light of my increased awareness of what she was unhappy about just serve to create more self-doubt. 

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