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« on: October 27, 2015, 12:13:22 AM »

I honestly don't know whether I have a relationship or not right now.

He told me that if I've ultimately f*ed over his roommate that we are done and he isn't going to continue the relationship. It means that I can no longer come up to see him, since he lives with her and he doesn't have time to come down and see me.

My internal reaction?

Let him.

He's abandoned me in my most painful and difficult moment. He has borderline personality disorder. That will never change. He might get better in terms of functioning but he's still borderline.

It's not that I don't want to be with him or am looking for reasons to leave. I haven't done that in months. I absolutely love him and have started to realistically see myself with him for good recently.

I tell him how much I appreciate him all the time. I want to see him feel good about himself.

And he's been incredibly supportive towards me. Loving, Kind. Trying so hard to manage his own dysregulation.

We have more stability and friendship now than we've ever had in the entirety of our relationship... .

But he's panicked. He's scared. He doesn't want to lose his place of residence because his roommate moves out.

The ultimate test is for me. How I handle this.

I'm in a lot of pain right now. He blocked me on Facebook and hung up on me twice. He tells me I'm on my own.

And I'm scared. Because I don't want to lose him.


But I've technically been on my own for months now. I've treated him like my best friend. I don't want to lose my best friend. I've done my best to set limits and be validating and everything I ever learned on here.

I'm intent on staying. But not if he's intent on leaving.

The moment he told me we might be over, I simply answered. "Okay." I wanted so badly for him to be there for me, but not like this. Not when he's angry, not when he's upset or panicked or anxious.

I have so much to deal with on my own. I've used him as an escape from that. That's not fair to either of us.

So in terms of what happened. His roommate paid me to write her essay for class. Today she tells me she wants it 3 hours earlier than the deadline. I got a little iffy. I told her that it's not fair that she tell me so last minute. But I've procrastinated on it, so I end up not finishing it until 15 minutes before the deadline. (Online course) And then my laptop battery dies. And I panic and try to reconnect it. It's a good 8 minutes before it starts up again (old slow f-ing laptop) and then it takes me a good 6 more minutes to get it to even show the page. I click submit. I'm waiting.

Suddenly it tells me "Access denied, please log in" I tried to submit when it had auto-logged me out. And so I missed the deadline. And there is no late assignments accepted by the prof. And I've ___ed her over. I tell my boyfriend this and he panics. Because he told her that he knew I was good for it.

And apparently his reputation is on the line. And thus his house. And I'm the black sheep.

And I come off as a terrible person for reprimanding her for letting me know she wants it early so last minute.

Had she told me she wanted it earlier, I would have started earlier. I am -THAT- sort of procrastinatory a-hole. So it's not actually her fault. But I'd love to blame it on that. I didn't take the right preventatory measures and so I messed up. I made a big mistake.

I don't know.  I just feel really alone and terrible about myself. I don't even know if this is an appropriate post.
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 01:33:01 AM »

Follow up conversation.

He's drunk. He tells me that he vouched for me. He was convinced things were going good, that he could trust me.

He thought of all people he could trust me.

Thanks for the guilt trip.

There is some truth to it, though. I was thinking today that I've come to a point where I'm on point and reliable.

Then tonight happened. And I think. I could have prevented this.  I didn't.

So yeah. I'm kind of filled with guilt.

I went for the 'ole "You'd probably be better off without me."

His response. "No. I don't want to have to be without you. I don't want this to be the end-all for us. But if she doesn't want you coming around anymore, there's not much I can do, and if she leaves or kicks me out, again. I'm kind of screwed."

He told me that this sort of changed everything.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 06:55:43 AM »

My first response when reading this was this: his room mate paid you to write her paper. I noticed this because it was a way to step into the drama between them. I also need to work on resisting temptation to "help" people sometimes, so I will share my views on this. Please note that I am speaking from a place of understanding, not being critical of you. It's because when we look at our own behavior, there is the potential to do something different.


You had an earlier post where he was not doing his responsibilities as a room mate, and that his room mate was angry at him. Since he likes his room mate and is afraid of losing her, you wondered whether or not to step in to the relationship to help smooth things over.

The issue was between your bf and his room mate. His room mate was reaching out to you. You did recognize the potential for a triangle.

Sometimes the wolf "invitation to the triangle" can come in sheep's clothing ( not so obvious and seemingly innocent) but this one was not so innocent. Being paid to write a paper isn't innocent. Well you know it is cheating, and that is wrong, so I won't go into that, but in this case it was also this:

It put the room mate's responsibility for her grade on to you, and you took it ( rescuing, caretaking)

There was a secondary motive or payoff- you had the potential to help the relationship, smooth things over between Bf and room mate by being indispensible to her at the moment.

Bf's responsibility to repair the relationship with his room mate were placed on your shoulders ( you then became rescuer) and when something went wrong, he blamed you for this instead of being responsible for his own situation.


I don't mean this to sound critical, but to turn the focus on your role in this- because it is the only part you can make a change with. They have their wrongs too. Room mate should not cheat, BF needs to take care of his responsibilities, but you can't impact their choices.

Don't do someone's academic work for them, ever. It's morally wrong, and besides that, it is taking someone's responsibility away from them, it is enabling and that is entering a dysfunctional relationship. It also ruins your own self esteem as it lowers your personal values.

When there is drama between two people, stepping in to "help" can be a step on the triangle. Again, I'm not trying to chastise you, just putting this in this perspective so that hopefully you'll see the signs before jumping in. I try to be aware of the potential triangles too. Sometimes, even with our best efforts, we get on to them, but if we see it, we hopefully step out sooner.

Hang in there... .or maybe I should say hang out of there.









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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 10:39:25 AM »

I would go quiet on him. It's not your problem if his roommate moves out or whatever problems he has with that person.

NONE of his issues with other people are your problem. And I mean it from this perspective: he has his crap with them, and geeze what a PIA the whole thing is FOR HIM, let him sort out the things he messed up.

And to point HE messed up with YOU! His crap isn't your crap. His roommate's crap is not your problem to fix. Aside from ethics, SHE messed up with YOU, too!

It's not the other way around. Just leave the arena and let him sort his chaos out because it's HIS creation, not yours.

And you just hit what I ran into repeatedly with my boyfriend: he bullied and scared me, then he let his other woman do the same to me. If I tried to slap her back, suddenly all the problems he had with her were MY fault. I took on the guilt and the two of them ran me into the ground.

Until you say "whatever", and step out of it, you are going to get jerked around. He will calm down and be back. If he tries to start a discussion with you about how terrible you are, ignore him. No more apologizing for their mess to them. Let them own it.   

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 12:17:39 PM »

My first response when reading this was this: his room mate paid you to write her paper. I noticed this because it was a way to step into the drama between them. I also need to work on resisting temptation to "help" people sometimes, so I will share my views on this. Please note that I am speaking from a place of understanding, not being critical of you. It's because when we look at our own behavior, there is the potential to do something different.


You had an earlier post where he was not doing his responsibilities as a room mate, and that his room mate was angry at him. Since he likes his room mate and is afraid of losing her, you wondered whether or not to step in to the relationship to help smooth things over.

The issue was between your bf and his room mate. His room mate was reaching out to you. You did recognize the potential for a triangle.

Sometimes the wolf "invitation to the triangle" can come in sheep's clothing ( not so obvious and seemingly innocent) but this one was not so innocent. Being paid to write a paper isn't innocent. Well you know it is cheating, and that is wrong, so I won't go into that, but in this case it was also this:

It put the room mate's responsibility for her grade on to you, and you took it ( rescuing, caretaking)

There was a secondary motive or payoff- you had the potential to help the relationship, smooth things over between Bf and room mate by being indispensible to her at the moment.

Bf's responsibility to repair the relationship with his room mate were placed on your shoulders ( you then became rescuer) and when something went wrong, he blamed you for this instead of being responsible for his own situation.


I don't mean this to sound critical, but to turn the focus on your role in this- because it is the only part you can make a change with. They have their wrongs too. Room mate should not cheat, BF needs to take care of his responsibilities, but you can't impact their choices.

Don't do someone's academic work for them, ever. It's morally wrong, and besides that, it is taking someone's responsibility away from them, it is enabling and that is entering a dysfunctional relationship. It also ruins your own self esteem as it lowers your personal values.

When there is drama between two people, stepping in to "help" can be a step on the triangle. Again, I'm not trying to chastise you, just putting this in this perspective so that hopefully you'll see the signs before jumping in. I try to be aware of the potential triangles too. Sometimes, even with our best efforts, we get on to them, but if we see it, we hopefully step out sooner.

Hang in there... .or maybe I should say hang out of there.

Wow. A good wow.

I've been working so incredibly hard on trying to have healthy boundaries and limits in relationships and trying to protect myself. I don't honestly have these abilities well developed in the slightest, I'm a very raw work in progress, so most of the time I'm either going off facts (This is not my responsibility) or tuning into my own feelings and seeing whether I'm helping or harming myself.

And yeah, last week I recognised the potential for triangulation in what wasn't my problem and so I came on here to test that theory and your response was incredibly helpful, so I'm really grateful for that. I'm making progress, but it takes time.

It's like a weak muscle and I have to keep working on rehabilitating it so that eventually I become sensitive enough at recognising these things.

So I agree with most of what you wrote. I honestly didn't recognise the lines I inadvertently crossed when I agreed to help her out with her schoolwork. Plus my boyfriend was egging me on from the beginning on how great it was. He knew that this could be an extra push in the right direction.

Now I realise how I let my perspective get skewed by my need to 'help and fix'.

Plus I'm still terrible at confrontations. I've gone from refusing responsibility for my actions to always admitting fault even when there are other powers at work. '

When my boyfriend found out about me missing the deadline, he blocked me, hung up on me and whatnot. Then 20 minutes later he started calling me on my phone. I was too upset to answer and I wasn't bent on him yelling at me more. I felt really alone so eventually I called him back. He claimed that by not answering his calls, I was 'hanging him out to dry.' That's not actually true.

He actually recognised some of the ways he was ruining his relationship with his roommate, saying that he already feels bad because he barely ever does anything because he doesn't have the time. But then it's like, why are you telling me this? You should be telling your roommate that.

A big mistake was involving him in the first place. I perpetuated the triangle by involving him in this and telling him what was going on. If I were to help her out at all, and I do have a relationship of some sort with her unrelated to him, then he has nothing to do with it. I could argue that in favor of my actions up until the moment that I told him about what was going on. I was seeking validation and needing to rant, but he is too involved to be objective.

He has his own beef with her and in this way I am perpetuating all the drama triangles and shifting the balance. I can be supportive of both of them without taking the hook in a normal scenario because she isn't my roommate but rather a friend. He can't do the same because he has a personal stake in everything.

And then she came to him last night concerned that I wasn't going to finish her essay on time. She did to him what she'd done to me last week with the garbage. He told her "Nah, Misuniadziubek's good for it. Don't worry." He had nothing to go off on with that.

With regards to writing essays and cheating, I've done pretty much all of my mom's work from her college from the time I was 14. The caretaking has to come from somewhere. :P

So this felt pretty routine for me. I didn't consider ethics or anything here.

I'm not trying to absolve myself of any responsibility here, but if I were the roommate, committing such a breach of ethics, well... .she kind of threw me under the bus. She put all the responsibility onto me because she doesn't have -time- to write essays for herself and this is easier. This was she also has a scapegoat for when things go wrong. So yeah, I definitely have enabled a negative behaviour in her as well. I've become better with these sorts of things, but I don't always succeed in avoiding them.

I was raised where all of this is normal. It is really a lot of work for me to recognise how toxic(?) and dysfunctional it becomes at a snap of a finger if only because of the dynamics at play.

So thank you Notwendy. That was honestly very helpful. Smiling (click to insert in post)

I would go quiet on him. It's not your problem if his roommate moves out or whatever problems he has with that person.

NONE of his issues with other people are your problem. And I mean it from this perspective: he has his crap with them, and geeze what a PIA the whole thing is FOR HIM, let him sort out the things he messed up.

And to point HE messed up with YOU! His crap isn't your crap. His roommate's crap is not your problem to fix. Aside from ethics, SHE messed up with YOU, too!

It's not the other way around. Just leave the arena and let him sort his chaos out because it's HIS creation, not yours.

And you just hit what I ran into repeatedly with my boyfriend: he bullied and scared me, then he let his other woman do the same to me. If I tried to slap her back, suddenly all the problems he had with her were MY fault. I took on the guilt and the two of them ran me into the ground.

Until you say "whatever", and step out of it, you are going to get jerked around. He will calm down and be back. If he tries to start a discussion with you about how terrible you are, ignore him. No more apologizing for their mess to them. Let them own it.   

Yeah. It isn't my problem. I don't live with her and he unfairly gauged it as being my problem.

The funny part is that she did that too. She wrote me a message last night that if I didn't get this essay done, then she might fail the class, and if she fails the class then she's moving back to California and that affects my boyfriend, so I should feel bad.

Yeah. That is incredibly unfair towards me. Everyone is involving everyone else and it all becomes nothing but a Karpman drama triangle :P

I could always not participate. At all.

I still have to talk to his roommate today, though. And give her back her money.

I took on a responsibility that I couldn't handle. Everyone is SUPER supportive. Until I fail.

My boyfriend was telling me last night. I had your back THE entire time. But then you messed up and now that's on you.

And that's pretty funny to me. And I pointed it out. You had my back while everything was seemingly good. Because you had something to gain from it. But when I fall, you tell me I'm on my own.

And now this is the part that genuinely hurts. Because when I'm at my worst, I want him to be there for me. The way I am there for him. And that's unrealistic. He can't. He has BPD. It's too much for him to carry. He can barely carry his own.

So yeah. I made a mistake getting involved. Still hurts a lot.

Oh well. I really have to move forward, regardless of the end result. At best, this will add another notch to my belt, another reason to be take care of myself and become stronger.



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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 12:22:13 PM »

I'm glad you found it helpful. I can spot things sometimes because they are my issue as well. I was the caretaker in my FOO, and so I am easily drawn into situations where I am the fixer/rescuer. However, this also leaves me vulnerable to being blamed and projected on.

You are right- doing something different involves using a "weak" muscle, but with practice, we get stronger.

So from one "weak muscle" to another --- keep practicing and working that muscle!

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2015, 04:10:53 PM »

Notwendy, I think a lot of us have this issue.  Being 'caretakers' is what gets us into these dysfunctional relationships to begin with.  You gave some good advice here.  I know I need to keep 'working that muscle' as well.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 04:32:42 PM »

The outcome of this affects 3 people.

1.You

2.Roomate.

3. Him

How do you think his reaction ranks the importance of these 3 people, and how do you feel about your place in that ranking?

Innocent mistakes happen, and this is one of those, and they will happen again, that is life. Where we rank on the care scale defines our values as to what we find acceptable.

The nuts and bolts of this issue are not important, what it exposes is. Are we likely to get thrown to the wolves or supported when something goes wrong.

Its not about solving this issue, it is about addressing a "go to" response.
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2015, 11:46:30 PM »

The outcome of this affects 3 people.

1.You

2.Roomate.

3. Him

How do you think his reaction ranks the importance of these 3 people, and how do you feel about your place in that ranking?

Innocent mistakes happen, and this is one of those, and they will happen again, that is life. Where we rank on the care scale defines our values as to what we find acceptable.

The nuts and bolts of this issue are not important, what it exposes is. Are we likely to get thrown to the wolves or supported when something goes wrong.

Its not about solving this issue, it is about addressing a "go to" response.

I have to take care of myself first. I can't be anything for anyone if I'm not taking care of myself. I can't be satisfied or happy if I'm not well.

He reacted the way he did because he's terrified and doesn't know how to handle it.

He is terrified that if I've messed up his roommates schoolwork, it means that she won't let me come up and stay over anymore. That this will lead to him and I never being able to see each other.

He can't afford to move out from that place. It's a good location. He's working on fixing his car. He's got room for his work.

So he went into full dysregulation. He flipped out on me.

He is living in constant anxiety because of money and wondering if he can pay rent. He doesn't want her to move out because he won't be able to afford it.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 12:36:18 AM »

  misunia, before I comment on your thread, may I ask you about someone paying you to write their essay. Is that within the rules of the class? I'm not familiar with this practice.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 01:31:11 AM »

He is living in constant anxiety because ...

because that is the disorder, an inability to prioritize and regulate means nothing is certain and he fears everything... castrophizes
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 01:08:02 PM »

He is living in constant anxiety because ...

because that is the disorder, an inability to prioritize and regulate means nothing is certain and he fears everything... castrophizes

He is convinced this means that we are done for good. Our relationship. If his roommate decides she doesn't want me coming around. 

Since I won't have anywhere to sleep.

He feels like I abandoned him with something that I could have prevented and effectively killed our ability to have a relationship.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 01:18:13 PM »

WW mentioned catastrophic thinking.

This is also black and white thinking. This mistake has finished everything, can't stay there, no relationship...

Yet the room mate has not made any decision.

It was a mistake, people make mistakes. You can take care of your end of it- you have no doubt apologized and given the money back. There is nothing more you can do.

The rest is up to him to deal with his fears and anxieties. You can't fix it. I don't think there is much to do but to stay out of this and let it take whatever direction the two of them decide.


He's upset now, and probably not able to think of alternatives.
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2015, 04:32:15 PM »

So the roommate tried to cheat and it backfired...

You made a little mistake, she made an even bigger one. Your BF enabled the initial mistake.

A bit of guilt shifting going on here.

Your biggest mistake was saying yes in the first place, is that playing on your mind?
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2015, 04:38:39 PM »

Thank you wave rider, I had asked the OP about the getting paid to write an essay for someone else as that sounded off to me but she did not respond. Perhaps we could help the original poster look at how that might be a triangle?
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2015, 07:29:51 PM »

 

My gut take on this... .is to make sure that you have given a full sincere apology (sounds like you have... .but just make sure)... .and be done with it.

Let them sort out their own issues.

Then... .think through what happened for yourself... .so that next time something like this comes up... .you make a decision that you are ok with.

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