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« on: September 12, 2016, 08:01:40 PM »

Hi, of course you know I'm new here.

My dilemma... .  I was dating a woman strange but fun lady. When we first met she told me that she suffered with anxiety. Not the disorder. At the time what I knew about anxiety didn't constitutes as a disorder. She also said that she would see animals imaginary obstacles on the road when she drove at night. I'm not going to say that I didn't notice an unusual behavior in her but it didn't bother me much.
Today I am bothered by the mere existence of her. These negative emotions are weighing heavy on me. I am usually the one that gives advise.  I am the one that everyone comes to when they have a dilemma so naturally I tried to be strong and look strong in front of everybody.
I have been on this forum on numerous occasions. I'd say for about 9 months or so, hoping to solve my issues.
Right to it... .
I met her. She grew on me. We laughed a lot then. We disagreed a lot too.  We got along better than we didn't get along.  One of my biggest pet peeves is lying and obviously she toyed a lot with that because I had already opened up to her about breaking up with an ex for being a liar. She shared her past with me.  I shared mine with her. Everything I shared with her she used against me mentally, spiritually  , and emotionally.  By the time I saw the real her it was late. I had shared "some" of my deepest secrets with her. I don't regret it but if I knew her better I never would have.
She cheats and lies, and cheats and lie, and says that all her exs have cheated on her.  I once caught her by surprise with a man in her house.  Said it was her kids uncle but not a blood relative.  The only 2 people up in the house after midnight, both half naked and she could not stop hiding her face. I felt sorry for her that night but the little bit faith that I had left for her, died completely at that moment. I stopped trusting her words, actions, I even wondered if she was really of the female gender.  I just listen to her stories.  I saw anything she said as 50/50  could be lie or I don't care. I brushed it off and kept being around her.  By then I knew she wasn't trust worthy but I needed company and I also enjoyed having her around. She was funny.  We did a lot together. The straw that broke the camels back was when she started to involve other people. I don't want to get into the details about that. Its irrelevant to my real dilemma. Besides, those people were fake.   
One day out of no where she says to me that she wanted to do something special for me.  She wanted to throw me a big party.  I said what for?  because my birthday had already past and she didn't show up to my birthday party at the reggae nigh club.  She said I don't know, I just want to do something nice for you before we move on.  OH! I didn't know we were moving on, I said.  She said not like that.  I changed the subject because I didn't want her to start lying to back up her slip up.  Actually I didn't peruse the subject because she was finally given me what I always wanted but never i  had the  Smiling (click to insert in post) :)s to do it myself.  She was detaching from me.
After that I started to see and here less and less of her.  I was okay with it but I missed her presence but I never doubter for a second that it was for the best.  For both of us not just me.
We finally parted but we still had  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post) sometimes.  It was as if all of a sudden I was okay with being around her.  When we were acting like partners I skeptical about touching her, but once my heart and head was no longer claiming her, I didn't have a problem with us having sex.  it got better and more comfortable for me.  Maybe because my head no longer carried the burden.  . Now she was hers and somebody else's problem.  My problems started when I became infatuated with having sex with her. She noticed my change and of course shortly after, she put a stop to it.
I hope I have provided enough details for you to be able to understand the following.
Today I realized that like her, I don't like to lose.  In case any of you are already thinking it, I know I have not lost anything else but myself in a person that was never going to love me with respect.  All I want today is to forget her.  I no longer wish to feel the urge of messaging her but I do.  Well up to a few hours ago, I did.  Not sure how I will feel when tomorrow comes. The messages between us are never friendly in either direction, unless hey, hi, wrud, seems friendly. While ignoring the "unaddressed" obvious truth. If I greet her first and ask how she is, she'll throw in a double entendre, to make me believe she's having sex at the moment or something else.  It's clear to me that everything she ever blatantly did was just to get a reaction out of me. Once she got it, she knew to do it over and over again, until I stopped expecting good.  What didn't work, she never tried again.  All she did was poke at my deepest fears for her enjoyment. Even if she can't help but to be who she is, its not fair to me or her that I don't appreciate who she turned out to be. It has not been friendly between the two of us, in an honest way, since about 10 months ago.  I don't like or dislike her.  Im no longer physically attracted to her.  I wish I could wake up one day and not feel left out on the side of the road by my own garbage.  I don't want to hurt her or love her.  I no longer see a need for her in or anywhere near my life.  She is everything I'm not.  I'm everything she wish she could be.  That's my perception.  We are nothing alike. 
Soo, Why do I keep responding or reaching out to her first?  It would be nice if someone can clear that up for me.   ... .Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 08:29:10 PM »

Hi NoH8NoLuv

Welcome to BPD Family - formal welcome on your first post!  Glad you made the effort!

Sounds like you have been doing quite a bit of reading over the course of the last 9 months here; what have you learned that you think is applicable to your situation?

Soo, Why do I keep responding or reaching out to her first?  It would be nice if someone can clear that up for me. 

Not sure that I can clear this up for you but I would suspect that the answer may be located somewhere in your past.  One thing that stood out when I read your story was the following:
"I am the one that everyone comes to when they have a dilemma so naturally I tried to be strong and look strong in front of everybody." 

This sounds like a quality I have possessed as well.  That characteristic is often referred to as "care taking".  Which is generally defined as, placing others needs in front of our own.  Do you think that this was something that happened during this relationship?

I think you will find that there are many others here who can relate to your story.  Look forward to hearing back.

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 08:31:38 PM »

Hi NoH8NoLuv,

Welcome

I'd like to join joeramabemewelcome and welcome you and thanks for deciding to join after lurking for several months.

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She shared her past with me.  I shared mine with her. Everything I shared with her she used against me mentally, spiritually  :)evilish, and emotionally.  By the time I saw the real her it was late. I had shared "some" of my deepest secrets with her. I don't regret it but if I knew her better I never would have.

You're describing emotional intimacy. That's good to hear that you don't regret and you probably already know that not everyone is going to treat  like your ex did.

I notice that mentioned anxiety disorder but I don't see BPD traits, some pwBPD do experience hallucinations, anxiety disorders are often co-morbid with mood disorders, major depressive disorder and often there's a concurrent clinical depression with BPD. Was she suffering from anxiety and depression? Was she diagnosed with BPD?
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 08:57:46 PM »

Hi and thanks for responding and the cozy welcome.  I'm not sure if she's been diagnose with anything.  I'm sure if she knows she wouldn't have told me.  Why would she tell the truth about anything?

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"care taking".  Which is generally defined as, placing others needs in front of our own.  Do you think that this was something that happened during this relationship?

You guys here make caretaking sound like a bad thing.  I have always taken pride in being loving and caring. I'm not sure I did much caretaking with her.  But I did cater to her feelings and emotions.  I let a lot go that I wouldn't have in the past.  I knew something was strange about her so i expected her to do strange things.  I accepted her that way, at first.  I treated her like a would a normal person and for the most part she behaved like one.

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you probably already know that not everyone is going to treat  like your ex did.

I understand she did the best she could with what she has to work with. But I got the feeling you were referring to something else.  Where you?

What I learn while reading for 9 months or so, was that she might be suffering with BPD.  The reason why she had so much fun with my life is because I gave her the reaction she was looking for every single time.  When I stopped reacting, she went away for good.  I never see her.  We just message now and then but me more.

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I would suspect that the answer may be located somewhere in your past.
I hold everybody I care about very close to my heart but when I'm done with someone, they are dead in my soul.  Do you think it might have to do with losing my father at a young age? or something else?  Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2016, 10:06:05 AM »

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"care taking".  Which is generally defined as, placing others needs in front of our own.  Do you think that this was something that happened during this relationship?

You guys here make caretaking sound like a bad thing.  I have always taken pride in being loving and caring. I'm not sure I did much caretaking with her.  But I did cater to her feelings and emotions.  I let a lot go that I wouldn't have in the past.  I knew something was strange about her so i expected her to do strange things.  I accepted her that way, at first.  I treated her like a would a normal person and for the most part she behaved like one.

Well, I get what you mean about it sounding like a "bad" thing, and it is not inherently.  In fact, there are many instances where being a care taker can be a very positive trait; work place and with other caring people in our lives.  However, where it is "unhelpful" (versus "bad" is when we abandon ourselves in the name of helping another because of our caring and compassionate natures.  Then we find ourselves in situations that are actually harmful to us as the result of our care taking.

Do you think that your care taking qualities contributed to the issues you had with your relationship?

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I would suspect that the answer may be located somewhere in your past.
I hold everybody I care about very close to my heart but when I'm done with someone, they are dead in my soul.  Do you think it might have to do with losing my father at a young age? or something else?  Thanks.

It is possible.  I think as you spend time reviewing what happened and healing from the broken experience that more insights will come forth.

JRB
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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2016, 12:46:32 PM »

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"care taking".  Which is generally defined as, placing others needs in front of our own.  Do you think that this was something that happened during this relationship?

You guys here make caretaking sound like a bad thing.  I have always taken pride in being loving and caring. I'm not sure I did much caretaking with her.  But I did cater to her feelings and emotions.  I let a lot go that I wouldn't have in the past.  I knew something was strange about her so i expected her to do strange things.  I accepted her that way, at first.  I treated her like a would a normal person and for the most part she behaved like one.

Well, I get what you mean about it sounding like a "bad" thing, and it is not inherently.  In fact, there are many instances where being a care taker can be a very positive trait; work place and with other caring people in our lives.  However, where it is "unhelpful" (versus "bad" is when we abandon ourselves in the name of helping another because of our caring and compassionate natures.  Then we find ourselves in situations that are actually harmful to us as the result of our care taking.

Do you think that your care taking qualities contributed to the issues you had with your relationship?
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I would suspect that the answer may be located somewhere in your past.
I hold everybody I care about very close to my heart but when I'm done with someone, they are dead in my soul.  Do you think it might have to do with losing my father at a young age? or something else?  Thanks.

It is possible.  I think as you spend time reviewing what happened and healing from the broken experience that more insights will come forth.
JRB
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This is what I'm getting from this and all the other comments. My ex who bviously sufferes from BPD took advantage of my caretaking qualities.

It must be something deeply rooted in me that makes me so stupid that's why I care for people who are obviously out to hurt me.

Here is something I learned outside here or other forums. This I learned in reality by experience. Had a friend who was nasty to me and everyone who gave her genuine attention. I will spare you the details. She's still around and things have changed drastically, at least on my part. Which means changed her behavior towards me. I didn't give up on that friend and I didn't lose. That being said, I know i can't be there for all. Some people don't appreciate it. They see it as a weaknesses. However I wouldn't jump to say that my caretaking qualities are a total failure.  Furthermore more, I didn't address this earlier. Therapist listen and sometimes advise for money or recognition. It's their profession. But their are others who do it out of the goodness of their heart. Sad to say but this world is pack with abusers and the people they abuse. You either take advantage of someone or someone with no morals will try to take advantage of you. Okay. I got that. It doesn't make me want to be the abuser. Telling me how my TLC  makes me a target doesn't answer my question. I'm hoping there's someone here that will help me?    I'm looking for a response to my initial inquiry? Thanks again
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 03:46:26 PM »

You either take advantage of someone or someone with no morals will try to take advantage of you. Okay. I got that. It doesn't make me want to be the abuser. Telling me how my TLC  makes me a target doesn't answer my question.   I'm hoping there's someone here that will help me?    I'm looking for a response to my initial inquiry?

Is your "initial inquiry", "why you keep reaching out to her"?

Quick reply to your comment on "taking advantage of or . . . "

Imagine a company owner told their workers; I will give you a check at the end of the week regardless of whether or not you actually do or do not work.  I would assume a number of people would chose not to work and take the check.  Should he feel taken advantage of by those that did not work and yet collected a check?  I would think not because he clearly communicated they could do one or the other.  

A similar analogy applies when we do not communicate our personal boundaries or are unsure what our boundaries are.  There are always people that will take advantage of the situation.  If we are letting others know that it is ok for them to do whatever they want; who is responsible for the "moral" outcomes?  Continuing to caretake when we are getting unwanted results is a way of telling others; I will pay you even if it does not work for me.

Sad to say but there are people who will indeed take advantage when given a chance.  However, having and communicating our own boundaries tells others what type of behaviors we will or will not accept.

Perhaps this is or is not related to why you are still reaching out to your ex?
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2016, 03:55:26 PM »

You either take advantage of someone or someone with no morals will try to take advantage of you. Okay. I got that. It doesn't make me want to be the abuser. Telling me how my TLC  makes me a target doesn't answer my question.   I'm hoping there's someone here that will help me?    I'm looking for a response to my initial inquiry?

Is your "initial inquiry", "why you keep reaching out to her"?

Quick reply to your comment on "taking advantage of or . . . "

Imagine a company owner told their workers; I will give you a check at the end of the week regardless of whether or not you actually do or do not work.  I would assume a number of people would chose not to work and take the check.  Should he feel taken advantage of by those that did not work and yet collected a check?  I would think not because he clearly communicated they could do one or the other.  

A similar analogy applies when we do not communicate our personal boundaries or are unsure what our boundaries are.  There are always people that will take advantage of the situation.  If we are letting others know that it is ok for them to do whatever they want; who is responsible for the "moral" outcomes?  Continuing to caretake when we are getting unwanted results is a way of telling others; I will pay you even if it does not work for me.

Sad to say but there are people who will indeed take advantage when given a chance.  However, having and communicating our own boundaries tells others what type of behaviors we will or will not accept.

Perhaps this is or is not related to why you are still reaching out to your ex?

Yes it is... .Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)... .thanks.

Meaning, I should have left her where she went and not try to figure out what was going with her... .if she was alright and so on when the answer was in her actions. which was different.  not so sick but slick.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2016, 03:57:50 PM »

I think taking advantage shows lack of empathy.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2016, 04:33:53 PM »

I think taking advantage shows lack of empathy.

I'm the worst writer. But I once read that they're certain protocols to follow in writing. 3 parts... .An intro, body and a conclusion. The conclusion cannot be a story of its own. Must  include your findings and mention the main point in your opening statement (intro).

My conclusion... .
Just by posting here (haha for changing the title), I find that I came to the right place. I also found that ask and you shall receive. I did and no further (realistic) urge to connect.  It was the cake.  Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). Im glad I made the decision to come ask and that somebody was listening. I'm cured and I'm moving on. Probably will be reading, tho no further comments.

Arrivederci... ..   
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