BPD info maybe

[FallBack!Monster]

FORGIVENESS IF ANYONE IS OFFENDED BY THE FOLLOWING

Was listening to an audio/video.  A woman interviews a man with BPD. Man was talking about different aspects of the disorder and what he experiences when he is having an episode. What I found interesting and reason I'm sharing this he suggested his pathological behaviours might be seizures. Mentioned that is med that. Is given to people with Down syndrome to control seizures . Said there are meds that work but pros don't prescribe it much because of the bierocracy in the medical industry where They push new and experimental drugs, and so on. Not the best explanation but you get the gist. Said the drug controls his paranoia. Use to believe his wife was cheating, if she had any interaction at all with another "male". I found it interesting that he he wasn't afraid to put it in the same category with something most would be in denial and afraid to compare the two.  Also said he wasn't afraid to talk about how the disorder made him feel bc he has been doing a lot of work and is now more self aware.  
 hope I made some sense. Confused myself trying to explain this. What if the manipulation, unnecessary dumb lies, serial cheating, quick attachments, sudden devaluation, panic attacks, triangulating their loved ones, impulsive/uncontrollable behaviour, rage, B&W thinking,  ect, seizures caused by a disordered brain.  Not sure if it's been talked about here or mentioned anywhere else but new to me and  thought it was interesting. Since pros find pwBPD hard to diagnose or treat bc of comorbidity and challenging bc of their manipulative ways, maybe don't take enough time to see it.
If knew this when my ex and I were on good terms maybe could've suggested looking into it.  Maybe not.

[fromheeltoheal]

Borderline personality disorder is a just that, a personality disorder, what happens when orderly development becomes disorderly in the first few years of life, and unlike an organic brain disorder, which may be treatable with medication, BPD is not, there's no physical or chemical abnormality, although many borderlines seek help from medical professionals who prescribe anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, anti-whatever medication, which treats the symptoms without addressing the underlying cause.

So how did watching that video and telling us about it make you feel NoGd?  Did you think about the possibilities with your ex, what if and if only the disorder was "curable" with medication?

[FallBack!Monster]

Borderline personality disorder is a just that, a personality disorder, what happens when orderly development becomes disorderly in the first few years of life, and unlike an organic brain disorder, which may be treatable with medication, BPD is not, there's no physical or chemical abnormality, although many borderlines seek help from medical professionals who prescribe anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, anti-whatever medication, which treats the symptoms without addressing the underlying cause.

So how did watching that video and telling us about it make you feel NoGd?  Did you think about the possibilities with your ex, what if and if only the disorder was "curable" with medication?

Never suggested it was curable. Watching the video made me feel what I already thought. Not all learned behavior. Not all environmental. looks more like epileptic uncontrollable Behavior but what do I know. I'm knew to it and still learning. Meds controlled some of his extreme delusional beliefs. All I said.  shared here and other forums. Wanted to see others opinions. Already apologized for my lack of understanding.

[fromheeltoheal]

No worries NoGd, we just want to make sure we focus on accurate clinical information as we all heal together.  And while learning about the clinical side of the disorder can clear up a lot of confusion, it certainly did for me, once I understood why she did what she did it made the confusion go away immediately, which didn't make the behaviors OK by any stretch, but eliminating the confusion can be a big piece.  And really it's the behaviors and how they affect us that matter in the end.

Here's an article you might find helpful as you continue with your detachment: https://bpdfamily.com/content/what-borderline-personality-disorder

[FallBack!Monster]

No worries NoGd, we just want to make sure we focus on accurate clinical information as we all heal together.  And while learning about the clinical side of the disorder can clear up a lot of confusion, it certainly did for me, once I understood why she did what she did it made the confusion go away immediately, which didn't make the behaviors OK by any stretch, but eliminating the confusion can be a big piece.  And really it's the behaviors and how they affect us that matter in the end.
Here's an article you might find helpful as you continue with your detachment: https://bpdfamily.com/content/what-borderline-personality-disorder

Pretty sure I  didn't do the audio any justice. Oh god I read more than 500 times the symptoms of BPD. Why, what, who, how pwBPD feel in r/s, why it hurts, do they all do this etc. My ex looked confused as to why she made up an unnecessary story, confused about why feelings within her consumed her. And ever changing. Said she hope the next time it would be different. Express frustration for past failed r/s but never stopped doing what took her to that place. Truly believe her frustration. One thing i failed to explain was that he said it was meds given to people with cerebral palsy. 
Read a letter from a woman low functioning BPD/ 39 y/o.  Lives in her car, in the backyard of her elderly uncle. Rest of her family disowned her bc of addiction to alcohol & other maladaptive behaviors.  Children are ashamed of her. No income, gets great jobs but unable to maintain. Been in and out of rehabs. Says next time around in rehab hopes is the last. Uncle helps with food and little morey when possible. Excuse me if I don't believe she was being manipulative. There was hurt in that letter.  Don't see how anyone can be okay digging a deeper hole in their souls and continue to bite the hand that feeds them. Not only a man but especially a woman. While they see others prosperous.
I believe it's more of a birth defect underdeveloped brain. Unable to grasp and define things seen. Unable to process their environmental experiences as good or bad. Grow up knowing they are different than others. Begin to mirror those admired. Becomes a life mission to mirror the admired but only bc they know and feel different than others. Amused by everything, even bad deeds bc if don't do it maybe feels not acting like a normal person.
My ex would over hear conversations from women at the store who were exotic dancers/ladies of the night; for lack of a better description, then ask my opinion on obtaining whatever gadgets these women were discussing. Don't think it was asked just to get a reaction out of me. Seem like she was asking to understand if that was something she should be doing.  My ex was in her 40s during this time. I would get annoyed and ask "why? are you thinking of becoming a prostitute?  Took me long to understand the questions were the same type a child would ask. Naturally, I had the wrong reaction but it's difficult to talk to a high functioning adult like a child. She would still look puzzle but course I interpret it as her being sneaky.
All that said, seizures are caused by a neurological / brain disorder.  Hard to control even with meds. A member of my family use to get them and meds didn't cure it but controlled frequency. This family members suffered with cerebral palsy.  Guy in the video clearly said the medication that helps him has the same ingredients that would be found in meds given to people with cerebral palsy.
My argument may not be one that people are use to hearing but I doubt it is 100℅ w/o substance. Trying to expand my knowledge beyond what's already been said a billion time which only gets us as far as judging pwBPD. By no means claiming to know more than the experts, but just don't by the learn behavior thing. Except if it's being learned and  later used because of a birth defect  and not just a simple emotional developmental disorder. Or bc didn't receive the right amount of love or didn't see the right things. All apply to me as well and countless others. I'm not perfect by any means but I "don't monkey see monkey do."
I may not use the correct language for this website but at least I'm trying. At the same time, not trying to offend anyone.

[enlighten me]

Hi Nogd4us

I found your post interesting as I witnessed in both my uBPD exs times when they were behaving as if their brains werent functioning right. A fit is a chemical reaction in the brain causing a difference in brain function (to over simplify it) so I can see some behaviour in BPD being helped chemically.  My personal belief is that pds are a physical problem.

FHTH im no expert but I do have an issue with PDs being a purely psycological issue. The childhood trauma theory as being the cause of BPD is just that a theory. There is no imperical evidence that I have seen to support this. It is just the opinions of experts backed up by their interpretation of events. Even if childhood trauma is the root cause I believe that physical differences in the brain would be present. I say this as PDs become a hard wired behaviour which is why they are so difficult to treat. If that is the case then some medicines may have an effect. We often hear of pwBPD turning to pot to alleviate some of their behaviour.

[fromheeltoheal]

We often hear of pwBPD turning to pot to alleviate some of their behaviour.

Yes, that's true enlighten, with impulsivity in activites that are potentially self-damaging including substance abuse being a trait of the disorder, not limited to borderlines by any stretch, self-medicating to "adjust" ones emotional state is rampant in the general population when you include caffeine, alcohol, nicotine, pharmaceuticals, and the illegals.  And all of that is treatment, or adjustment, of the behaviors and not a cure for the underlying disorder that causes them.

And really, the opinions of experts have created a model that gets replicated over and over on these boards, with members reading countless posts they could have written because folks with the disorder behave in very similar and somewhat predictable ways, even though everyone's different.  It's for each of us to decide if learning that is enough, since it's the behaviors and how they affect us are what matters in the end, or if we want to dig further into the psychology and biochemistry.

[enlighten me]

Hi FHTH

I agree its up to us to come to our own opinion in this matter. There is no hard and fast evidence to the cause of BPD so  it is up to us to find our answer that we are comfortable with.

I can see merit in the OPs post that certain drugs could help certain aspects. There is evidence that the insula in the BPD brain is hyperactive so will magnify negative thoughts. Whether this differance in the brain is a cause of some BPD behaviour or has developed who knows. The fact that it could be targeted to relieve some symptoms is a possibility though.