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 on: July 24, 2024, 10:34:50 AM  
Started by Missygirl - Last post by jaded7
Today I had a bit of a weak moment today and sent him this :

"I know you probably don't care about me anymore. I am just so confused at what what the truth is. I just want to have some understanding about what honestly happened and why. And maybe you dont know the reasons why youve done this again..but I just want closure so I can heal and move on with my life. Our relationship was more important than getting a phone call breakup. "

I know I shouldn't have messaged him.. I feel so weak and stupid. I have this need to understand what happened
Even though it doesn't change anything. Doesn't change how he treated me.
I just wish this wasn't true, that he didn't say all those cruel things after promising me a future.

I know he probably doesn't have the capacity to know any of the reasons. And I won't get any answers that are truly satisfying to any of my questions..
I don't think he has the introspection to know why he did this and treated me like this.


I'm mad that I willingly lead myself into interactions with him.. hoping for something different.

The rumination has been a terrible thing for me and my depression is weighing me down. When I sleep, I have nightmares of him (either I am searching for him like he's gone missing, or he's there but ignoring me or saying hurtful things)


I know he probably won't message me back (he did get the message so I'm not blocked)
And really I don't know why I even messaged him, other than wanting to stop feeling like this.

I don't want to get back together with him (unless he really gets well and grows up but still i dont know if ill ever fully trust him)

maybe I just wish I could be the one to breakup with him instead of being dumped all the time..  almost like a "you can't fire me, I QUIT" kind of scenario.

I just felt so powerless like always waiting for him to pull the next rug out from under me.

I have to remind myself of the reality of our relationship

And I know it may come off as a bit of a bashing session ( i truly loved him but that love was like rose tinted glasses).. but I romanticized and rationalized his behavior to a point that it was almost delusional..

He wasn't consistent
He wasn't honest
It wasn't balanced
His actions were hurtful
He abused my trust
He didn't appreciate me
He used me for physical and emotional validation 
He held grudges and brought up old fights
He kept me at arms length
He made and broke promises
He wasn't mature
He didn't take accountability
He was passive aggressive and manipulative
He wasnt kind
He hasn't treated me as his friend in such a long time
He blamed me for so much
 
There was no emotional stability
There was no vulnerability
There was no safety

This wasn't a healthy relationship

It affected my mental and physical health
It tore down my self esteem
It created problems between me and others
It made me question my reality and feelings
It dulled my sparkle

I did my best
I took accountability for my side of it all
I always tried to be better
I was there for him and not myself
I wast a bad friend or girlfriend
I loved him and it blinded me

This wasn't because of me
This is a him problem


Thank you all for your kind words of encouragement and sharing your stories, it's alarming how similar everyone's experiences can be and yet comforting that I'm not alone in this. Your feedback has been so incredible helpful with my internal progress.  This is also very helpful for me to recognize that this isn't how normal or healthy relationships should be..


I just worry I'll never find a love like that again and it'll just fail as painfully as this has..

You would not be the first person to send a message and regret it Missygirl. We all understand the need to closure and answers, some little sign that they care or cared.

He wasn't consistent
He wasn't honest
It wasn't balanced
His actions were hurtful
He abused my trust
He didn't appreciate me
He used me for physical and emotional validation 
He held grudges and brought up old fights
He kept me at arms length
He made and broke promises
He wasn't mature
He didn't take accountability
He was passive aggressive and manipulative
He wasnt kind
He hasn't treated me as his friend in such a long time
He blamed me for so much
 
There was no emotional stability
There was no vulnerability
There was no safety

This wasn't a healthy relationship


This could be from any of the many books on bpd/npd. It's actually good work to write this out and really accept it. I write things out in my notebook in the morning and it clarifies for me.

What you're saying is

*he is inconsistent = intermittent reinforcement
*he wasn't honest = he lied, evaded, misrepresented, withheld the truth, wasn't forthcoming
*it wasn't balanced = unequal openness, taking responsibility, investment, caring, forgiving
*his actions were hurtful = he hurt YOU, repeatedly, with his behaviors
*he abused your trust = took advantage of you
*he didn't appreciate you = took you for granted, didn't give you love back
*he used you for physical and emotional validation = was thoughtless and using you when he needed you
*he held grudges and brought up old fights = he kept score to keep you in a less than position, to punish you
*he kept me at arm's length = he withheld love and connection except when he needed it
*he made and broke promises = he is unreliable, and doesn't seem to care about it's effect on you (but probably requires reliability from you, and puts you down for not being reliable), his word is not good, doesn't care about how this effects you
*he wasn't mature = he's not emotionally ready for a relationship
*he didn't take accountability = huge one, nothing is his fault, all is yours
*he was passive-aggressive and manipulative = he does not communicate in a healthy fashion, and can't
*he wasn't kind = he uses words to hurt, doesn't show compassion if/when you need it, doesn't try to understand you
*he blamed you for so much = doesn't take responsibility and accountability, needs to offload blame, can't see his role in this


We cannot have a healthy relationship with a person who does these things. And they are all part of the toxic cycle, or if you prefer part of the relationship with a person with strong bpd traits.

I'll say it again- we cannot have a healthy relationship with someone like this.

I'l just say Missygirl, I experienced each and every one of these myself. And I'm sure others did too.

Lack of ability to vulnerable is a hallmark. One cannot have a real relationship with someone who can't or won't be vulnerable. And the inability to be vulnerable can lead to many of the behaviors above. My ex actually told someone, and I heard about it later, that she struggles with being vulnerable. And she showed all the behaviors above.


 92 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:32:30 AM  
Started by Stefano94 - Last post by once removed
Am I in the wrong because I said mean things after she insulted me I am wrong tk have calling her out and tell her she is a sadistic narcissistic sick women?

i think when you find yourself in a dysfunctional situation, it is less about who is right or wrong, and more about who is going to be the one to end the dysfunction.

the thing about a breakup is that its the ultimate score settler. if we were treated unfairly, or the relationship was one sided, its over now. we dont have to continue the battle.

of course, we understandably may still have a lot of hurt to heal. i think one of the hardest parts about a breakup is that our exes cant help us do that. lashing out at them cant help us do that. its about us, now.

 93 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:24:09 AM  
Started by CravingPeace - Last post by kells76
Earlier the kids told me they are going to tell their therapist on me. I said what do you mean. They said mummy said we should tell the therapist about you so the therapist could teach you to do better. She has told them to tell the therapist stuff that isnt true, or grossly quoted out of context .

Can you remind me how old your kids are?

It's good you asked them what they meant. One way to follow up there is to remove them from the middle of the conflict by encouraging them that it's always OK to tell the therapist the truth, that it's important to have no secrets with the T, and that you love them and will always support them sharing their thoughts and feelings with the T. You can also ask them if there's anything they want you to share with the T. Model openness, "no secrets", and that telling the truth doesn't rattle you.

...

The article Ju-­jitsu Parenting: Fighting Back from the Down Position by Dr. Craig Childress gives a good framework for interacting with professionals when there's a high conflict parenting situation.

It's critical not to play into the narrative of "Dad is bad, antagonistic, and defensive... Mom just wants to listen to the kids". Defending yourself in a knee-jerk way to the T ("She said I did X to the kids but I never did that, she's making that up") plays into the drama framework that Mom wants: "See, he can't take any responsibility for himself, I told you he'd deny everything".

It takes non-intuitive skills and approaches to navigate this terrain. Getting educated and informed about the "playbook" can help you avoid stepping on the landmines.

The whole article is an A+ goldmine. I strongly encourage you to read the whole thing so that you can go into meetings with the T from a collaborative/productive posture ("I'm not interested in labels, I just want a loving relationship with my children") vs a self-defensive posture (participating in the drama triangle).

 94 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:11:57 AM  
Started by Missygirl - Last post by ForeverDad
What you've done is write a Closure letter.  However, due to the nature of these acting-out disordered perceptions, it can give him an opening to either resume the relationship or strike out.  What works best when a disordered relationship ends is to let it End.

Gift yourself the Closure you wish.  As the others noted, while writing your feelings was good for us, most didn't send anything after all.

 95 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:11:32 AM  
Started by Stefano94 - Last post by Stefano94
Am I in the wrong because I said mean things after she insulted me I am wrong tk have calling her out and tell her she is a sadistic narcissistic sick women? Do I deserve this after all the years I've been there for her when she was at her lowest?

 96 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:09:54 AM  
Started by Stefano94 - Last post by Stefano94
Sorry sometimes I have to use a translator I mean when she has treated me this badly and with cruelty and the first time I said means thing back she blocked me and started spreading lies about me as she did towards her exes who she now hang out with

 97 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:08:02 AM  
Started by CravingPeace - Last post by ParentingThruIt
I think it will help if you start documenting everything, on the computer or in a journal, wherever is safest. Write down what you are observing. I understand that things written down the day they happened are looked on more favorably than things documented later.

I'm so sorry this is happening.

 98 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:06:39 AM  
Started by Stefano94 - Last post by Stefano94
Thanks for the advice. Apart from the first 3 days after the breakup, I didn't contact her anymore, and since the end of March I've been in no contact with her, but she often blocks and unblocks me or creates fake profiles with her photos and spies on my social media, to the point that I've removed them. I'm recovering all the deleted files from my phone, and one of her friends has offered to testify against her lies. In addition to her, several of my family members and friends who have had the opportunity to see her behaviors have offered to be available in case I need to defend myself against these false accusations.

The thing that's really driving me crazy is that I just can't understand how the night before she would say she loves me, and then the next day treat me badly and, in response to my gratuitous cruelty, block me everywhere and describe me with these falsehoods to everyone. The same things she used to say to me about her exes, now she's saying about me, when I was there for her when she needed it. Moreover, from what I've been told, she's been seeing these exes. I just can't understand this inconsistency and hatred. I wonder if she ever really loved me or if everything that happened in those 3 years was just an illusion.


 99 
 on: July 24, 2024, 10:00:47 AM  
Started by Koziiii - Last post by ForeverDad
Several years ago there was a young member here who was getting married and worried over just one person - her mother - who was almost guaranteed to act out.  So her problems were simpler than yours, you feel fragile and certainly can't deal with too much out of control.

What she decided to do, with just one problem person, was to hire a couple off-duty cops to station themselves near her mother so that when she started to take over they could escort her out.  Yes, a bit extreme, but it worked for her.

This is your wedding, not your mother's, not her elderly boyfriend's either.  She will call you an ogre but you and your future husband have a right to select your guests, after all they are guests at your wedding, not hers.  You can limit guests based on food, space and financial limits, though of course if she is paying for it that's difficult to address.

When I meet couples preparing to marry, I often find a way to share this advice... no matter how well you prepare there will be *something* go wrong, whether small or large, so take it in stride.

 100 
 on: July 24, 2024, 09:59:15 AM  
Started by BIRD86 - Last post by CC43
Hi Bird,

I totally understand the dread you feel when you hear the phone ring or see a text.  You sense something is wrong, and you brace yourself for abuse and/or fear, because that's what history has taught you to expect from your daughter.

I think your daughter needs you, but that you can establish firmer boundaries with her, to protect yourself from her.  I'd suggest keeping the lines of communication open, but if she starts yelling at you or being abusive, you put a stop to it.  I often employ the "three strikes" approach.  So when she has adopted an overly negative, whiny, nonsensical or abusive tone, I'll say something like, "We're not getting anywhere, so let's change the topic, or I'll have to hang up (or leave the room)."  If she continues, you remind her, "Look, we're not getting anywhere, and this conversation is stressing me out.  I'm going to hang up if you continue this way."  And if she continues, you hang up.  That way, she gets some time and space to cool off.  If she calls again, you can pick up, and try to have a positive conversation again.  If not, hang up again (or go to another room).

You are right, she needs to learn how to self-soothe.  And you are also right in that she sometimes acts like a five-year-old.  Because though intellectually she may be an adult, emotionally, she hasn't fully matured, and she resorts to tantrums, blame-shifting, crying and victimhood to cope with adult situations.  She's impulsive, and she can't control her emotions once triggered.  That's where DBT can really help, as can establishing your boundaries with her.  She needs to learn that throwing a tantrum, crying like a baby or insulting you or blaming others for her own problems won't work to get her what she wants.  What does she want?  I'm not sure, but maybe she wants attention, help doing things she should be doing for herself, money, or merely an outlet for her rage/sadness/inferiority complex.  She might not even really know what she wants.  She might feel miserable, and misery loves miserable company.

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