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 on: April 09, 2026, 09:14:23 AM  
Started by Welcome - Last post by CC43
Hi again,

Much of what you write mirrors what happened to my adult stepdaughter with BPD.  Though she was always a sensitive, moody, (over)reactive and hesitant/avoidant child, her BPD behaviors and general dysfunction didn't emerge until she went away to college.  She lost all her friends.  She self-medicated with marijuana.  She'd get into trouble (with eviction, failing classes, quitting jobs, dropping out of school), but lacked resilience and couldn't find solutions by herself.  She had suicidal thoughts and attemped suicide multiple times.  She had raging outbursts directed at her family, blaming them for a terrible childhood and all her current problems.  Like your son, she's obsessively worried about finances; the irony is, she took on zero student debt, so technically she started adulthood financially much more comfortable than most people, myself included.

I'm going to repeat parts of a prior post here about a BPD daughter to help explain what I think was going on.  In essence I think it's a combination of immature emotional skills, unrealistic expectations (rooted in black-and-white thinking), plus shame and fear about "adulting": 

I have a few theories about BPD behavior, and they might clash with some of the classic recommendations on these boards (e.g. validate the feelings, not the facts).  First is that your daughter is blame-shifting.  She's not really mad at you for what she's accusing you of, even if that is what she THINKS she's mad about.  I bet what's really bugging her is fear about the future.  She knows she's an adult in age, but she still feels like a dependent adolescent, and it's killing her.  She doesn't really know who she is (she lacks a stable identity), and she doesn't have stable relationships (friends, co-workers, family, romantic partner).  Without the high school routine that was forced upon her, she feels rudderless.  Is she having trouble in college, and does she have a hard time finding (or keeping) a job?  Has she lost her friends?  She is discovering that she's not functioning well as an adult, and that makes her SCARED as well as inferior.  "Everyone else" seems to have an easy time making friends, finishing college and/or working, whereas she completely falls apart.  This induces in her a deep SHAME.  Rather than take setbacks in stride (failing a class isn't so bad--she can retake it; having a fight with a roommate can happen, but apologizing goes a long way; getting fired isn't the end of the world, there are a million other jobs out there), and rather than take some responsibility (I'll never make any money or friends if I stay lying in my childhood bedroom all day), she regresses in AVOIDANCE.  What does she do?  She dredges up ancient history from childhood and blames her dysfunction on that--terrible/unsupportive/abusive family members, they are the ones who are making her dysfunctional.  This thought pattern makes her MAD, because she doesn't have what she wants today.  When she sees you, she sees an opportunity to lash out and unleash all this anger and frustration onto you.  If you're up for listening to her, you become her punching bag.  If you try to validate her feelings, then I think you're giving credence to the notion that a terrible childhood is the central problem.  However I think it's not--I think it's just blame-shifting.  The accusations against the family serve to AVOID dealing with current problems and taking responsibility for her life and her decisions.  That is simply too scary.  She RESENTS you because she still NEEDS you desperately, and it's killing her inside.

On top of that, generally speaking, her expectations are totally unreasonable and unrealistic.  I think this is rooted in adolescent or childish thinking patters.  She's impatient.  She's demanding.  She still expects adults to over-function for her.  She still expects to be the center of attention at all times.  She expects too much devotion from friends.  She pines for the amount of leisure time she had as a child--long summer vacations, ample holiday breaks, a life mostly devoid of responsibilities and pressures.  She wants to make decisions, but if something goes wrong, she expects you to face the consequences and "rescue" her, because you "owe" her.  Now, when she was a kid, this was normal.  But now that she's an adult, she's having trouble adjusting her expectations, and at the same time, her childish expectations simply aren't being met, which sets her up for constant disappointment.  She still probably expects that you continue to pay most or all of her living expenses.  She's resistant to doing adult administrative tasks, and she's frightened because she doesn't necessarily have the know-how, either.  She's afraid to ask for help, say from a friend or an employer, because she'd be "exposed" for her lack of knowledge, for the fraud she feels she is.  She wasn't really prepared to do autonomous, self-guided study in college, or to figure out how to apply for jobs, or even how to accept coaching from a supervisor.  Any "criticism" would be taken personally, and she'd completely fall apart.  I bet she hasn't really embraced the notion that she's responsible for herself now, because she's probably blaming you, full-time.  Let me guess, your daughter says she suffers from anxiety?  My bet is that's because she feels incompetent, inferior and scared.  She's so afraid of a failing and a little stress that she gives up before she even tries, and to cope, she's lashing out at you.  Does this sound familiar?  If it does, it's because I've lived though it, all of it.

Anyway, I have some thoughts about your last post.  First, the license--is that a driver's license?  If it is, my guess is that your son feels shame about not having one yet.  He can't put things in perspective (maybe he didn't have a car available to practice on?  maybe he was busy with other things?  maybe he was saving up for classes?).  Perhaps he thinks "other people" will think less of him for not having a license already?  He lets all these negative, extraneous, irrelevant thoughts inhibit him . . . when the central issue is probably just fear of failure.  That would be indicative of BPD black-and-white thinking.  So what if he fails at his first attempt?  Millions of people fail their driver's test, and so what?  They just have to get more practice and try again.  I'd say, if he has a graduate degree, he's probably way smarter than the average driver.  But his negative thinking gets in his way.  If he's like my adult BPD stepdaughter, the go-to coping tactic is AVOIDANCE.  But avoidance just delays the problem and often seems to make it worse in the long run.

Second, you ask about family therapy.  My gut feeling is that therapy with you might become a raging blame-fest.  Like I stated previously, it might lend credence to the notion that his "horrible" childhood is the source of all his problems.  Whilst he might have some unresolved issues there, my gut tells me it's not the main issue for him right now.  I think that therapy sessions which revive ancient grievances might only serve to magnify them, and not help him get past them.  Maybe I'm off base here, but I sense that repairing the parental relationship is more likely to happen if he addresses his core BPD issues first--emotional reactivity, fragile sense of self, feelings of worthlessness, etc.  If his life is looking really dysfunctional right now, my sense is that he might not be "ready" to repair things with you yet, and that he might need to focus on therapy for himself right now.  I'm not sure, but my sense is that there would be a better chance of relationship repair if your son had gotten his act together and had a more stable, positive adult "identity."  I think a sign of that would be repairing some relationships with friends first, where the stakes are lower.  I don't know if that perspective helps?  At any rate, I'd recommend that you do not try to arrange any therapy for your son.  If he wants you to attend a therapy session, then he should be asking you.

Just my two cents.

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 on: April 09, 2026, 09:00:08 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by Me88
BPD's can lie with total sincerity because in their distorted world everything they say is always the truthful version. They can re-write the facts and firmly believe they are correct.

My own ex-BPD claimed I never bought her anything, while actually wearing gold, sapphire and diamond jewelry I'd bought her as she said it. Their detachment from reality can be frightening - how can we ever cope with that?

If we lie there is always the guilt we may be found out but a BPD can lie so smoothly. I've often wondered if they could easily beat a lie-detector - I imagine they could as they genuinely believe themselves.

Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) yeah, well, me...'you're never there for me when I need you!'...all the while calling in to work to take care of her when she's sick. Helping her move out of her ex fiance's house which was awkward as heck. After her grandma's passing I went to that woman's apartment a dozen times and went through all of her belongings which was also awkward. Helped her dad move out of his apartment. Drove her everywhere. The list goes on. But, I was NEVER there.

They twist everything to be a victim. Exaggerate things. Truly make things up. And never back down. Then they run off telling everyone how awful you are and people start to hate you.

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 on: April 09, 2026, 07:36:22 AM  
Started by sm1981 - Last post by sm1981
We had a period of 2 weeks where he was making a big effort and staying at my house the whole time- I didn't want to fully commit to emotionally connecting until I saw how the payday went (hugely triggering to him being asked to contribute but he'd had 2 weeks rent free and my bills still need paying regardless if he's been mooching off his mum and not in my home due to his behaviour) .  I think I was more detached than previously - during the 2 weeks there was a night where he punched a hole in my bedroom door and poured beer over my head- then expected the next day to be okay.....

he stayed another week and sure enough payday comes and he doesnt mention anything about contributing (it was a common theme even when he was here full time, it would not get mentioned until I finally begrudgingly brought it up and half the time he's kick off (sometimes running to his mothers to avoid paying).  I asked him then got called a c**t (because I brought it up late at night..........I waited til the last minute hoping he'd take responsibility) he chucked things around my house, tore up an old valentines day card and drove off drunk.

It's been over a week, we've cycled between nasty texts, turning up wanting to see me, sending photos of us together , back to nasty texts.  I've been using Chat GPT to talk with him (to avoid me exacerbating him and to also try and hold my boundaries).

I thought I was completely at the point where I was done , but then the doubt crept in and I've agreed to see him this evening to talk.

2 non-negotiables are being abused and being used.  He cannot simply pick and choose when he lives and contributes to my household .

I really dont know if I want this anymore

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 on: April 09, 2026, 05:30:12 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by Pook075
I agree with 'Under the Bridge' in terms of lying- to a BPD, it was their convoluted version of the truth because they actually believed what they were saying.

For example, my ex said that I mentally abused her.  I did not, I was kind and patient.  But in her mind, taking everything out of context and struggling mentally, something like, "Do you want to go to the grocery store with me?" could feel like mental cruelty since she had no intention of getting out of bed that day.  Maybe she took it as me judging her or trying to make her feel guilty...I have no idea.  But that's how you get "someone's truth" that's also a bold-faced lie.

For your situation, "I never cheated", he could have justified to himself that they relationship had serious problems, it's probably over, so therefore I'm not cheating since she's basically abandoned me anyway.  None of the "facts" might be true, but the disordered thinking delivers them to what they believe is a truthful outcome.

You're so right in saying that instead of focusing on his feelings, it's time to look at yours instead.  His feelings were based on the moment while yours were based on the entire relationship.  That's like comparing apples to owls...there's no comparison.  That's why you have to let it go and focus on what actually matters- you right here and now.

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 on: April 09, 2026, 12:58:44 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by Under The Bridge
BPD's can lie with total sincerity because in their distorted world everything they say is always the truthful version. They can re-write the facts and firmly believe they are correct.

My own ex-BPD claimed I never bought her anything, while actually wearing gold, sapphire and diamond jewelry I'd bought her as she said it. Their detachment from reality can be frightening - how can we ever cope with that?

If we lie there is always the guilt we may be found out but a BPD can lie so smoothly. I've often wondered if they could easily beat a lie-detector - I imagine they could as they genuinely believe themselves.

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 on: April 08, 2026, 10:41:30 PM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by hotchip
Just weeks ago, I remember looking someone seriously in the face and saying, 'He wouldn't lie' with absolute certainty. Shortly before evidence came out to illustrate that he had, indeed, lied to my face, and with the appearance of total sincerity.

This was his misdeed, but my mistake.


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 on: April 08, 2026, 10:16:33 PM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by hotchip
Pook, you are so right about feelings lying to us. Part of the detaching process is turning away from examining how his feelings were an inaccurate gauge of reality, and looking at mine. The old 'love will conquer all' was certainly there for me.

Under, even after the relationship is over, I still have an impulse to 'keep going' in terms of 'fixing' or solving things or coming up with ways that he can somehow return to integrity. It relates to a desire to reconstruct the story so that somehow, even though my feelings and evaluations of my former partner were objectively wrong, 'really' they were right, 'really' our relationship was as I understood it and I can trust my feelings as a guide to fact. But I can't.

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 on: April 08, 2026, 09:56:25 PM  
Started by Pinkcamellias - Last post by Pinkcamellias
I haven’t been on since late 2025. My husband and I split in the fall and we ultimately decided to give it another shot after I had invited him to spend  Christmas with kids and I at Universal Studios. In hindsight I should have set stronger boundaries and not been so easily swayed with his good behavior over the course of 4 days . By January 2026 he had moved back in and shortly after my father and law had moved out. I had hoped my FIL leaving would get things “back to normal” but shortly after he left my husband started acting paranoid, harassing me, calling me names and threatened to start stalking me. My health took a sharp decline. After going to primary care physician i found out I was pregnant. After telling my husband that sent him over the deep end. The name calling became 100x worse. He said the the baby couldn’t possibly be his and he’s taking me off his health insurance, I need to make that other man step up to the plate . All the mean and deplorable things you would never expect someone who claims to love you would say. The stress of living with him and his constant insults on top of my morning sickness (which was all day quiet honestly) made me feel like I was in a fog. I couldn’t hold down food or water, my stomach was cramping so awful …I swore at anytime I would miscarry. He would say cruel things like “ your probably carrying a dead baby and that’s why your sick “ and beg me to get an abortion to spare him the perceived embarrassment, and even say he doesn’t care about me or the baby and when he looks at me he doesn’t se me as anything but a sister. After weeks had gone by I was resolved that I was done. This isn’t love. He looks at me with total disgust. I asked him to move out.  He went on and on to the kids that I like splitting up families (this is my second marriage) and I think I can do everything by myself. He left and I changed the locks. I went to my first obgyn appointment and the baby is healthy and my cramps have stopped. It nice to come home and not have heart palpitations. My mother wants me to file a restraining order but I feel if he isn’t threatening me anymore why wake the beast .
After my first sonogram the kids shared their excitement with him and he called me with a renewed interest .huh? When he told me “ I don’t care about you , or this baby, so when the time comes don’t call me” I took it seriously. He wants to name the baby and be there at the delivery. Then he goes on about still needing me to tell the truth and be honest about the paternity . I told him he could do that when the baby is born and I file for divorce . I told him I will only be communicating through text message otherwise I’m not going to respond. A few weeks have gone by and he’s been cordial again. Fast forward to today  he demanded to speak with me on the phone about getting into my apartment to grab a few things while I wasnt home and wanting to know if changed my door code and told me if he guesses it he bet he can figure it out. Then he asked if I was messing with his father (for the millionth time). His behavior reminds me of a drug addict (he’s a weed smoker ). Then he calls back this evening and says he’s trying to be involved in the kids life including the baby and he’s doing his part (by keeping me on his health insurance and contributing to some of the household food) and I’m cold towards him. He wants to name the baby, and be there during delivery , etc and I’m thinking  no way!
He’s trying to intercept my peace . I’m not cold, I’m direct and will only talk about the kids with him . He wants me to let down my guard and tread him like a friend. He’s manipulative and needs serious help. But as much as I want to say he’s sick I’ve watched him turn his bad behavior on and off (in seconds) so it’s a choice.

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 on: April 08, 2026, 08:32:15 PM  
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 on: April 08, 2026, 08:31:47 PM  
Started by Welcome - Last post by Welcome
Many thanks for your response.  Yes, worst of the addiction, rehabs, falling down and getting up, are behind him. I am grateful he is alive while several of friends and acquaintances have not which is also deeply traumatic for him (although he places the blame on me for that too when he is raging) However BPD symptoms were relatively new, approx. 2.5 years old, more classic splitting since the past year or so. With suicidal ideations that transformed Yes, has significant worries about future - license, worry about finances.  I wouldn’t call it high functional at this point due to deep emotional turmoil, and alienation he is facing due to his aggressive communications and loss of all his friends. With family, there is ancient past that anchors his rage day in and day out in the present.  With friends, spiraling out and recognizing the damage done later and regretting was the pattern over the last year.  I get curious if the BPD symptoms can remain dormant but show up during a certain growth phase and facing a certain environment. If that is logical, hope to believe with the right work he could overcome. Understand DBT is the key for self growth but is joint therapy with me to help heal the old wounds helpful? Or, is it more critical that right now he needs to focus on gaining skills for extreme emotional dysregulation? Thanks

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