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« on: January 09, 2015, 09:40:15 PM »

Every time I think I'm on the fence or leaning toward staying, my uBPDw manages to find a way to push me back over toward the leaving side.  I've all but made the decision, just a matter of time now.

So our poor old washer is just about to die.  Any load could be its last.  It's already been through a major rebuild, and this time it will be hundreds of dollars to repair, even if I do the work.  A couple of weeks ago it flatlined, but I was able to resurrect it.  Not knowing if I would be able to fix it again, I started looking at options for replacing it should the repair not work.  We are trying to finish our house and really don't need to buy a brand new one (it's a fancy frontloader), so I was looking into refurbs, etc.

So tonight it almost bit the dust completely while my w was using it.  I told her it was pretty well shot and that I had been looking into options.  Whereupon she began to tell me we needed to purchase a new set and I shouldn't be wasting my time with used ones.  I tried to explain my thinking, and the convo shifted to how she felt like we weren't communicating and I should not have been looking at washers without telling her what I was doing.  She was doing a pretty good job of just walking right over me and trying to lead the discussion in circles as usual, but I kept trying to firmly keep the discussion on track with a minimum of JADEing.  When she kept insisting "if I'd only let her talk" she had been trying to tell me something important, I said "OK" and stopped talking.  Of course that did no good as she simply said, "Never mind" or words to that effect and refused to share what she said was so important. 

I tried to explain (I know; the "E" in JADE) that I had no intentions of buying a washer without her knowledge and had only been trying to do some research.  She said "What if I went out and used our debit card to buy something without telling you?" to which I replied that was the point I didn't buy anything.  I was only looking online, the same way she would pin things to Pinterest that she might want to look at later.

Once we got upstairs she began to tell me how my "yelling" and "anger" frightened her.   I never raised my voice, not once.  I was not at any time angry.  Puzzled, a little frustrated, amused, incredulous, confused, bewildered, yes, but not angry  Smiling (click to insert in post)  But according to her my "body language" frightened her (I must be pretty intimidating if standing with my hands in my pockets or leaning against the counter is frightening.  I'm no Brad Pitt, but I didn't think my face was that scary!) 

The convo was far too disorganized to try to summarize, but here are a few points presented basically at random:

--I don't respect her.

--I frighten her

--When I try to validate her, she says "It doesn't matter how I 'feel' or what I 'think'" and the proceeds to throw those words back at me several different ways.

--She "doesn't have a selfish bone in her body" (exact quote)     

--I don't have a clue what I'm supposed to be getting from T

--She's constantly frightened of me that I could "blow up" at any time

--I'm not being a spiritual leader and God is not pleased with how I'm treating her   

There's much, much more but it was coming so fast I can't remember it all.  I just sat and listened. And listened.  And listened. And had to work harder than ever not to laugh in her face.  It's just too ridiculous.

She kept making comments about how if I didn't make some major changes, the marriage would be over.  She said she didn't want that but unless I was willing to apologize and take responsibility to change, that is what will happen.

I have moved from 50/50 to about 95/5 after tonight.  I cannot spend the rest of my life never knowing at which random moment I will be dragged from reality into her Twilight Zone.  She is 100% completely unaware that there is anything wrong with her.  She is perfectly normal and I am the one destroying our r/s.  I can't see any hope of ever convincing her differently.  If she is unwilling to acknowledge that I was only trying to help her by browsing through washing machines online, what hope do I have of ever convincing her it actually takes two people to be married?

I'm pretty much resigned to ending it after this.  Not because there was some big blowup, but precisely because there wasn't.  That signals to me that no matter how quiet and nicely things may be going and even if I master every tool in the BPD toolkit, her crazy universe isn't going away.

There's still a house to finish and other preparations to be made behind the scenes, but I think after tonight the die is cast and it's a matter of "how soon," not "if".
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2015, 04:23:45 AM »

WOW Jedimaster. Just WOW.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2015, 07:11:46 AM »

I'm sorry you had to go through something like that. Not much you can do really if the other person paints you all black. It really takes two in every r/s and if the other sees herself as flawless (without a single selfish bone).

I'm really sorry to say this, but I think life is difficult enough with a highly aware BPD... .My SO is quite reasonable guy and able to self-reflect quite well. But there's still dysregulation and nasty suprises which keep me constantly on guard.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2015, 11:02:48 PM »

Well, as of this evening and after a very busy day, the status is as follows--

--We have a very nice rebuilt GE high efficiency front load washer.  Spins like a dream.  My son, who has special needs, does 90 percent of our laundry.  My wife totally idealizes him and he can do no wrong in her eyes.  He hasn't stopped talking about how much he loves his "new" washer.  Smiling (click to insert in post)

--Wife is still dysregulated; using one of "those" tones of voice; posting little passive aggressive things on FB like links to "5 ways to destroy a marriage", etc.  I don't care.  I don't engage in tit-for-tat online so I'm ignoring it.

--Builder came and dropped off a load of lumber so the crew can continue working first thing Monday.  House is proceeding in spite of her best efforts. 

--I've come to terms with the other 5 percent.  I will be moving from this board to the Leaving and the Legal boards.  I've had enough of this kind of life.  I feel relieved emotionally; like putting off a dreaded medical procedure and finally getting it over with.  I'm getting my affairs in order and filling in the details of my escape plan.  It may take several months but it's going to happen.


I hate that I may spend little if any time in our finished house, but no house is worth my peace of mind and self-worth.  Proverbs 25:24 - "Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife."
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 11:25:53 PM »

Proverbs 25:24 - "Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife."

The first time I heard this Proverb was on this forum. . . . And this is about the fifth or sixth time I've now heard it, all on this forum.

Decades spent living with a mentally ill spouse do seem to produce thoughts of living in unusual quarters. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2015, 09:56:44 PM »

Hi Jedi - is there a book somewhere that teaches our pwBPD phrases? I swear I have heard the same comments come at me for things like - saying my daughter can have a sleep over, listing something for sale online. How dare I do these things without consulting uBPDh? I must be wanting to live a single life!

This is the first time I have ventured onto the undecided pages as I have been constantly on the staying - today is pushing my limits though! Best wishes to you and keep us informed as to how you are going.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 01:08:31 PM »

I feel for you, I really do.  I have heard very similar things from my SO.  Just today we had a text conversation which in which she wasn't fighting but seriously asked if I am gay because I didn't think it'd be a good idea for her to come to my work in lingerie for a quickie.  She demands to know what is wrong with me for not wanting to hump at every 3rd second.  Finally I replied, tactfully as I could, that I have too much on my mind and sex simply doesn't fit in.  I think and worry about work, the kids, her (lots of talk of suicide this week), her moods, doing her "honey do list" (ever expanding) and, oh yeah, studying for my MBA.  That's another thing - the MBA is incredibly selfish of me - she has to pay dearly for that because I am off doing something I want to do and she has to pay the consequence. 

I am over it.  I want out too, like you.  I guess I need to start researching my escape plan and legal options.  I have 2 kids and I'll be darned if I'm leaving them with her.

I wish you strength.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2015, 03:16:39 PM »

I've been married over 10 years to a wife who has BPD and it only gets worse.  I'm working full-time, a side technology business and pay all the bills.  She works but spends the money on herself.  She often asks for money because she runs out before her next pay check.  One night she was demanding that I get another *job* on top of the two I have because I don't make enough...   Really? 

Living with someone who has BPD just wears you out.  You don't get the emotional love and support that you are suppose to get in a normal relationship.  You get burned out and used up.  You can't enjoy any special moments because the few that you get you are worried about when the drama starts again.  Along with that the moments don't feel real special when 95% of the time you are being called names and being put down.  You need to becareful that it doesn't mess your own mind up because unless you have very strong shoulders they can easily make you feel like the things they tell you that you are.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2015, 10:11:41 PM »

I've been married over 10 years to a wife who has BPD and it only gets worse.  I'm working full-time, a side technology business and pay all the bills.  She works but spends the money on herself.  She often asks for money because she runs out before her next pay check.  One night she was demanding that I get another *job* on top of the two I have because I don't make enough...   Really? 

Living with someone who has BPD just wears you out.  You don't get the emotional love and support that you are suppose to get in a normal relationship.  You get burned out and used up.  You can't enjoy any special moments because the few that you get you are worried about when the drama starts again.  Along with that the moments don't feel real special when 95% of the time you are being called names and being put down.  You need to becareful that it doesn't mess your own mind up because unless you have very strong shoulders they can easily make you feel like the things they tell you that you are.

I'm just quoting this whole post because I could have written every word.  I also work full-time and do website design in the evenings.  At night she sits and watches Netflix or reads and I sit across the room and work.  I have the dubious good fortune to work at home in my day job as well, and she has suggested I get another job and work while I'm working! 

She just got a part time job herself and hasn't even gotten her first paycheck yet, and was already hinting about quitting and angling for more money from me.  Fortunately we were actually able to have a relatively normal conversation about money, although she tries to accuse me of hoarding money for myself and treating myself to things whenever I want.  At least today when I denied such she didn't dispute me, although I could tell she wasn't ready to back down.  From her that's as close to agreement as can be hoped.

She has always been a hard worker when she had a job and really does take pride in doing her job well.  So the validation she is getting from working again is very attractive to her.  She was ready to quit because she thought they weren't going to be as flexible with her hours as they promised, but they very quickly worked something out because they like her work.  When I pointed out to her that they would not have done that if they weren't pleased with her, I could tell that really struck a chord. 

What is driving me away from staying is not the rages or arguments, it's the day to day effort to manage this r/s.  As you say, it wears you out.  I don't think I have the energy to choreograph and dance my way through any conversation deeper than the weather forecast, every day for years to come.  Even though I'm learning to use the tools that help to avoid dysregulation and confrontation, I feel as though that's just another form of caretaking.  When she leaves the house in the morning for work, I can feel the tension leaving my shoulders, knowing I can let my guard down and just "be" for a few hours.  That's no way to live, and I don't see how to fix it as long as we're together.
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