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« on: November 03, 2016, 09:57:14 AM »


Does anyone with codependent traits  feel/felt as though they don't know who they are... or 'real' or 'whole' either similar to a pwBPD as consequence of being too giving of themselves?


Will I ever become enough or real enough for the kind of person I'd admire, love and wish I was more like? ... That I am still unsure about.


There is a challenge involved in the process of learning to be my own person.

I've always leaned on somebody else for answers or to validate my own reality so that I can feel self-assured. I've been in plenty of narcissistic type relationships where I have ended up being emneshed and moulded to become more preferable to them. My understanding is that I was so compliant because I grew tired of defending and proving myself to them  day to day it wore and tore me down, I gave in. I was just full of fear and dread that I gave into whatever the other person wanted me to believe and then lost myself. I wrote myself off completely feeling as though my life was dependent on maintaining that connection.


I thought I was BPD at one stage because to some extent I do mirror others to keep people connected to me such as adopting a lot of other people's interests but I just do not fit the criteria for BPD and less extreme according to my T.  It's probably just that codependent trait of wanting to be really connected and overly giving and being around a NPD for so long that was really damaging to my self-perception. Therapist said I have an ambivalent attachment style where I do push/pull similar to a BPD but I can still be reasoned with Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). My last BPD relationship had me believing too I was also BPD (my exes projection)... .and again my susceptibility to overly self-doubt when someone strongly implies there is something wrong with me... or that I had affected them so much... through my opinions, actions, words... .really bothered me and got me to seek help for myself. (which is fine, but believing I was crazy when I wasn't, wasn't at all a good feeling to go through).

I know what I used to enjoy and what my interests are now. There are plenty of things I find interesting but I feel like such a novice in so many aspects I see myself as lacking depth or substance. I feel that I am too much of a blank slate.  I am years and years behind the days I was bright, focused and passionate. I miss being that knowledgeable and interesting person and sometimes this makes small talk difficult. I am just no longer as up to date with everything going on around me like I used to be. I've become like a zombie and not knowing anything relevant anymore... or so I think. Sometimes it makes me feel stupid to be honest. I feel as though people won't understand this about me and fear that they will see part of me that is odd the closer they get. This is where I start to Push/Pull  too. I am feeling happy most of the time though and come off friendly. I don't have trouble acquainting myself. It's just that thought in the back of my mind that like I've lost so much and the need to get it all back and while I am progressing I want to actually feel like I am still someone worthwhile to talk to. Even if I don't feel like everything is back to normal. I dont know what my problem is exactly Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) Just rambling... um

I also have thoughts that I could just go back into a 'codependent' type relationship because that is what's comfortable and usual for me sometimes .But that is just looking for more trouble and heartache again, I know. I don't think this all the time, it's just sometimes when I feel like I want to not deal with myself and or that I won't be able to find better. I know that I am a bit more avoidant if I think someone has it altogether because I think highly of them and don't feel like I measure up to be with someone like that and so become less open. It makes me more nervous or feel worse about myself Vs being with someone I know who is clearly mentally ill or facing similar insecurities that I have myself. It's a bit strange but hopefully you might understand where this comes from. All those hooks I had at one stage because I found people who had problems as more attractive. Person with 'issues' I ended up in a relationship with or me taking some kind of amateur psychologist type role. Maybe I feel inferior to people I think highly of. Maybe I feel undeserving on some level and need to address this.

I've told a close friend that I felt like I wasn't living life how 'normal' people do and feeling bit too blank when I am not a part of something/someone else and catering to them. Perhaps the fear is that by not knowing myself very well yet, nobody will think I am worthwhile to get to know either. Maybe that's it. I am too used to being 'useful' to people like how PDs treat people. I am starting to think in too black and white. That I cannot be truly be liked at all unless I am dead sure of myself and feel as though I have something to give. That is how harsh I can be sometimes and don't want to fall back or not give something a try or opening up just because I am feeling negative at times with what I feel that I've lost and don't know what to share.  People like people for many different reasons and don't have the exact same standards I place on myself... .I try to remember that. I have some good friends. There is evidence that I am a likeable and valuable as their friend... and they stick by me because of me and what I bring to our friendship.

Knowing that I have to relearn better ways of being, I want to feel like I am enough and doing more than enough for now. I dont know how long it will take to feel more self-partnered but I feel like I am getting there.

To be honest, how I feel fluctuates and not sure if everything I wrote just now still matters so much. There are times I do feel rather deserving and don;t need to write stuff like this... .but it comes up again and this is still how I feel and what I am still thinking sometimes.
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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 01:42:46 PM »

That is interesting, valid, and rambled a little. I'd summarize it in a sentence like this: "Sometimes I feel codependent and like I'm not worthy of the people I want in my life."

You obviously have learned a lot about this, and are working on it, and don't plan to get into another abusive relationship. Sometimes you don't feel confident, but you do know the right way here. I don't see anything specific you identified to work on there... .and I'm sure you will continue to work through it.

Will I ever become enough or real enough for the kind of person I ... .wish I was more like?

Can you be more specific about what you wish you were like?
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 04:25:03 PM »

Hey Curiously1, Suggest you keep it simple: make your life a journey towards authenticity.  Strive to act in ways that reflect your core.  Be yourself.  Pay attention to your gut feelings.  Learn to love and accept yourself, just the way you are.  I spent a long time pretending that things were OK in a 16-year marriage to a pwBPD, when things were definitely not OK.  I was living a lie.  No more.  Now I try to be honest with my feelings and let my life be a reflection of the person I am deep down.  That works for me!

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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 07:06:21 PM »

That's a really good question/observation Curiously.

I remember for the first several months after the breakup I felt really lost—like I didn't know who I was anymore.

My behavior reflected this too. All of my little routines stopped. I stopped doing what I loved. Really, the only thing that I did do was be around friends and try to meet new people. So there is an identity crisis that comes with the breakup of a codependent relationship as far as my experience is concerned.\\

That's not to say that it is an unhealthy reaction, however. More of a wakeup call in my estimation, and proof that the dynamics we were involved in were destructive and painful for both parties.

It's a great learning opportunity though. I remember that after that relationship ended I started doing a lot more alone... .and really living life how I wanted to. It also brought me out of the isolation that I allowed the relationship to impose on me. Remember that these are skills learned over time. It won't happen over night, but if you set yourself on that path and work hard at it, you can break those habits that keep you interested in unhealthy relationship dynamics, while simultaneously forming new and enriching bonds with yourself and others.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 02:23:05 AM »

I'd summarize it in a sentence like this: "Sometimes I feel codependent and like I'm not worthy of the people I want in my life."
Sometimes you don't feel confident, but you do know the right way here. I don't see anything specific you identified to work on there... .and I'm sure you will continue to work through it.

Will I ever become enough or real enough for the kind of person I ... .wish I was more like?

Can you be more specific about what you wish you were like?
A part of me feels ashamed of where I am at. I know that I can be so much more than what I am now. I feel undeserving of people who are more well rounded because I feel like I don't have anything additional to give someone like that. I feel unwanted/unneeded. It's why I was attracted to mentally ill people I think in a way. I know they still need something from me and it was a way of not focusing on myself. It's not a good way to think and I can identify that now but how I feel about myself is more negative or different when I am with someone I wish to be more like. Yeah I wasn't very clear on what I wish to be more like. More intelligent? healthier? Admirable? Valuable? Not quite sure what it is that I feel like I am missing. Feeling like I am whole on my own and without losing myself in others again.

Hey Curiously1, Suggest you keep it simple: make your life a journey towards authenticity.  Strive to act in ways that reflect your core.  Be yourself.  Pay attention to your gut feelings.  Learn to love and accept yourself, just the way you are.  I spent a long time pretending that things were OK in a 16-year marriage to a pwBPD, when things were definitely not OK.  I was living a lie.  No more.  Now I try to be honest with my feelings and let my life be a reflection of the person I am deep down.  That works for me!
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Thanks LuckyJim. I do not want to live a lie or for somebody else either anymore. I do enjoy my own company and not as stressed as I used to be but feeling like my identity has been completely erased, or most of it, is such a strange feeling. Like I am no longer a person. Deep down yes, I know how I feel and what makes me happy and what I enjoy. I'll continue doing that. I just wish I felt like more of my own person already.


That's a really good question/observation Curiously.

I remember for the first several months after the breakup I felt really lost—like I didn't know who I was anymore.

My behavior reflected this too. All of my little routines stopped. I stopped doing what I loved. Really, the only thing that I did do was be around friends and try to meet new people. So there is an identity crisis that comes with the breakup of a codependent relationship as far as my experience is concerned.\\

That's not to say that it is an unhealthy reaction, however. More of a wakeup call in my estimation, and proof that the dynamics we were involved in were destructive and painful for both parties.

It's a great learning opportunity though. I remember that after that relationship ended I started doing a lot more alone... .and really living life how I wanted to. It also brought me out of the isolation that I allowed the relationship to impose on me. Remember that these are skills learned over time. It won't happen over night, but if you set yourself on that path and work hard at it, you can break those habits that keep you interested in unhealthy relationship dynamics, while simultaneously forming new and enriching bonds with yourself and others.
Not comparing it to amnesia but in a way I feel like I am really just blank once these kind of relationships of mine are over. There is a huge chunk of my life I blocked out after being friends with a NPD for so long. I am starting to feel that way with my last break up with BPD too. I am starting to completely forget what I found meaningful about all of these relationships knowing they were very toxic. Everyone can talk about happy moments when they recall memories from their past and I cannot recall much of mine... the good or bad. I feel fussy or like I don't know anything anymore and do not have my own specific thing. I feel like I lost myself for years. I just do not exist. For example I quit certain hobbies a long time ago like visual art and music and that used to give me something to at least identify as my thing and was part of my own identity then. It's hard to know who you are when you live through others more than for yourself too much and I didn't feel so 'nothing' until the relationships broke apart. When they are gone it's like feeling like a whole world the hobbies I took on to connected with them are all lost and mean nothing at all now.  But I know I didn't lose everything... I just find it strange to lose yourself and being further from the person I used to be or perhaps wished I was more like... I caught on from the start that my ex may not even really know me or had loved me. I would question why she was so intensely interested in me who wasn't passionate and didn't have their own thing or living a full life. I was trying to pinpoint what it was she actually loved about being with me. Could she see the person I used to be? or my potential? Basically I hadn't developed a strong sense of self after the NPD friendship and living I dont know, a pretty dull life I was ashamed of and could not understand my BPDs attraction to me. Eventually I got sucked in believing she really did care and it was unconditional love. I wasn;t happy about how I was doing and felt I had a long way to go and here was this person who I felt accepted me 100% and I thought I was going to completely heal through her. Like this weight I placed on my shoulders was taken away by her  just loving me when I feel like Im at my very worst. This is why I thought I found something real.
 Idk how to be with people if I feel as I cannot offer anything of value to. Whatever that is, usually depends on what I think the person would like more in their life. Again that is the codependent side of me I am trying to break. No more people pleasing to feel good about myself. Im at least in a better place than I used to be.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2016, 11:54:20 AM »

A part of me feels ashamed of where I am at. I know that I can be so much more than what I am now. I feel undeserving of people who are more well rounded because I feel like I don't have anything additional to give someone like that. I feel unwanted/unneeded.

In other words, you feel like you are not enough, you are inadequate, and the only reason people would want to be with you is if they were too, and you could offer them something?

  Those are difficult feelings. I'd say toxic ones if you wallow in them too long also. Acknowledge that they are there. Try not to believe them, not to move in.

One thing I've done when I get thoughts like that is try to gently tell myself/those thoughts: "Thank you for sharing that. You may go now."

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Yeah I wasn't very clear on what I wish to be more like. More intelligent? healthier? Admirable? Valuable? Not quite sure what it is that I feel like I am missing.

Those vague desires don't lead you toward much besides feeling sorry for yourself.

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For example I quit certain hobbies a long time ago like visual art and music and that used to give me something to at least identify as my thing and was part of my own identity then.

If you want to become a skydiver, play the flute again, or paint a mural on your bedroom wall, those are the sort of thing you can take real steps toward doing, and you will feel better about yourself for doing it.
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