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« on: June 07, 2020, 04:03:04 PM »

The thing happened today that I've been dreading. I saw my ex again. I was in my car talking on the phone, ironically about her to a friend. I almost had a heart attack when I saw her cycle past. She recognised my car and then looked away. I was completely shaken. I inadvisedly drove past her block of flats and there she was talking to a neighbour. Not sure whether she saw me or not.

So the rest of today has been a difficult day. Not as bad as when I saw her in the AA meeting in December but it still hurts very much. She looked good and her hair has grown in lockdown. She is a beautiful woman and it has triggered a longing to be with her again.

However, almost a year later I can now see the reality of the situation. She has moved on and whatever I feel for her still I must keep reminding myself of the awful times. Judging by the look on her face when she saw my car, she clearly wants nothing to do with me. I told her last year that I did not want to be just  friends as it would be too painful. Do I regret that stance? Yes and no. I only regret the fact that I haven't seen her in almost a year but I don't regret finally walking away from a situation that was toxic and increasingly dangerous for me.

I reminded myself today of the last things she said to me. One was that I'm a worse abuser than Epstein and the other that her neighbour witnessed me 'assaulting' her (I tried to hold onto her arm to stop her from getting out of my car). Her behaviour towards me was inexcusable in the end and I'm now glad that I had the self preservation to say that I didn't want to be friends when she had caused me so much heartache with the silent treatment and the screaming at me on holiday and the physical attacks. Yet I also regret it too.

I know I had a part to play in the breakdown of the relationship and of course being married wasn't good, constantly arguing with her instead of putting out fires wasn't good, especially on WhatsApp. In the end I was so upset by her behaviour towards me, especially after my brother-in-law died, that I pushed her away. When she cut me off from WhatsApp (for about the sixth time) I fell apart. This wasn't the first time she had cut me off. In fact she once did it for 12 days early on and we had a time where we met in the park for sunrise and I read her poetry and we made up. Looking back I can see she was hedging her bets from early on. This was one of those red flags that I turned green.

I am in therapy now and have had three sessions. It's psycho-dynamic therapy and so far has been very helpful in getting alot of my stuff off my chest. I am past the point of blaming my ex but I am left with terrible terrible regret that I lost somebody I felt such passionate love for. I no longer harbour fantasies that it could have worked and I'm sure in another year I'll be further down the road of recovery from the trauma of it all.

In lockdown I am well and truly on my own. The other AA woman and I are no longer spending time together and I have seen there were similar patterns in the communication between us. I have been able to be slightly more objective with the second AA woman and have seen that the things that are similar are that she isn't really interested in my emotional life but more about whether I am going to fulfill her needs. I have noticed that we don't really listen to each other but keep ploughing through our own agendas. She was putting alot of emotional pressure on me be the partner she wanted. This time rather than fall into another unsatisfying relationship I told her I wasn't able to give her what she needed and she has walked away.

The things I wish I had done differently with the first AA woman are as follows:
1)I wish I'd had the courage to leave my marriage immediately and at least be available for the r/s to blossom. I still think it would have gone wrong because we both triggered each other, but I'd like to have seen if there was any way it could have worked. I have to say that this thought is tempered by the fact I am glad I didn't make my wife feel she had to leave immediately. As things have turned out I probably should have left immediately but I feel my reasons were out of some degree of loyalty and my ex wife has acknowledged this. However, by not leaving and lying I made a difficult situation with my lover impossible. I see that now. She needed me to be there with her. She was new in AA and needy and my big regret is that I couldn't give her the love and security she needed because I was married.
2) I wish my avoidant side hadn't kicked in during arguments and made me walk out. Again this is tempered by the fact I know I was frightened and I felt at the time it was out of self-preservation, but leaving like that triggered her abandonment fears.
3) I wish I hadn't argued with her at all. She was fragile at the time and my own reactivity and fear of abandonment made me argue vehemently with her.
4) Given the fact I didn't leave my marriage in the first two weeks, I wish I'd set a date when I would leave it and told both my wife and my ex. In actual fact as soon as I told my wife about my ex the marriage was over anyway. I shouldn't have stayed. It was cowardly and wrecked my chances of any kind of happiness.
5) I wish when my ex attacked me I had held her and told her I loved her.
6) I wish I'd been kinder and less volatile.
7) I wish I'd not done the push/pull
8) I wish I'd continued to reassure her about not using her for sex rather than become indignantly angry.
9) I wish in some ways I was able to remain friends with her. I just know that the pain would have been unbearable if I couldn't be with her.
10) I wish I didn't suffer so much emotional pain from break ups. It feels like the worst kind of physical pain.
11) I wish I hadn't argued with my ex in front of her daughter, however provocative she was.
12) I wish I'd told her very clearly that I'd love to marry her when she asked me if I would, however absurdly needy and impossible that was.
13) I wish I'd been able to handle her mood swings and temper without taking it personally.

I know all of the above is impossible. For a start I'd have to be a different person. However, I can see that my own behaviour in relationships towards escalating situations needs to become about defusing situations rather than blowing them up. I had a woman who may possibly have stayed with me for a good few years had I been wiser and emotionally less volatile.

Ultimately I have to ask myself whether I really want somebody who is essentially self centred and more focused on her own needs than mine. All I know is the love I felt for her is greater than anything I've ever felt for anybody and I also feel that for a few months at least it was reciprocated. I know it would be far better to find somebody healthy but my God do I miss that wonderful feeling I had with her and that love I felt. I need to discuss all of this with my therapist on Thursday.

I feel very sad today. I loved her with everything I had. I just couldn't handle her or myself in a stressful situation that was predicated on lies and broken promises.

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2020, 06:02:38 PM »

I'm sorry you're going through this. Know you aren't alone. The checklist of regrets resonates with me. I've been trying to remind myself that nothing would have changed the inevitable outcome. The irony being it seems that the more you step your game up and remain calm, they'll just ramp up their behavior to. From what I've read a lot people with BPD if even subconsciously desire the conflict that usually created the issue in childhood.

Take a look and notice that a lot of these things (I'm struggling with this too) are you putting unrealistic expectations on yourself. Is it good to self examine? Yes. But given what I've read, give yourself a break man. You shouldn't have to be Christ or Buddha to navigate a relationship. You even used the word provocative. That's what these people do. They provoke people.

It's abuse 101. That's the sickening part of people who do things like this. They set you up to abuse yourself far after they've left. It is someone consciously or subconsciously making an effort to spread their pain. Mostly by pushing people with a higher than average ability or willingness to deal with bullPLEASE READ to the point that literally every living being would react or retaliate. Then point the finger at you. Lack of empathy, friend.

I too have a what if list. While I own my reactions, most of what caused certain reactions I'm not happy with was a result of someone treating me in a way you don't treat someone if you really love them or if you're just mentally well/ considerate.  Give yourself some compassion. These people aren't some god or goddess sweeping their judgment upon us as worthy or not. They are at their core a wounded and selfish being, with hope for change, but more often than not nothing substantial.

You noted her beauty, look maybe at why that matters to you. Say you found a piece of PLEASE READ on the sidewalk. You would hold your breath, step over it, and keep moving without a second thought. If you rolled up the next day and this PLEASE READ had been covered in gold, diamonds, every gemstone imaginable. Would you pick it up? Would you pine for it? No, because you seem smart enough to realize you would still be picking up a piece of PLEASE READ.

Odds are man, from what I've seen, it's not as if you never existed to her. These people hold onto EVERYTHING. Mine was still genuinely bothered by embarrassments/ slights she suffered in fourth grade at the age of nearly 30 years old. If you had the stones to cut her out? She remembers bro, rest assured. They will feign things knowing it will hurt you. She could feel all the anger/heartbreak/regret in the world and never show it to you. Because then she'd "lose," childish right?

She tried to put you on her little shelf and you said PLEASE READ you and jumped to safety. You denied her ego and took your power back in a powerful statement. "I may love you, but I cannot deal with this anymore. You are bad for me." That's a blow to just about anyone. Reap what they sow. A fear of being left, that leads to being left by anyone with a modicum of self respect. That takes courage man, be proud. These people know the most damaging thing is not hate but indifference. But you are in a mental box, I'd almost guarantee it. "The one(s) I was wrong about, the one(s) who cared but I pushed to leave, the one(s) I thought was a doormat/ enabler but was someone who really cared. That's a painful thing to face, especially for someone whose emotions are more or less stuck on 11 all the time. They want you to feel like nothing even if they are feeling everything. Master manipulators.

Accepting in a way the lovebombing/hooking is a mirage is hard to accept. It is why I established hard NC (the let's be friends game is not healthy or normal dude,  I'm wary of anyone as far as dating that is actually active friends with an ex. You generally still feel things for them or you never did.) That's the purpose of it. To step back and see the weight of the reality. But you know they're capable of the mirage, thinking of someone getting that is tortuous at times. But it is false. It is just another fish on the hook, as we once were. If it lasts? Either that person is a doormat or someone even more damaging than them. They'll abuse each other miserably into the sunset unhappily ever after. Is that what you want?

You even said yourself, you'd have to change the person you are. The fact you have that solidity of the self is great. You feel genuine remorse for things a lot of people would just simply say "well, PLEASE READ that person," and walk away with nothing. It says a lot. Even in the face of an abuser you can admit your own faults. Something they'll never do. Something that will ultimately move you forward into better things with a HEALTHIER INDIVIDUAL! Birds of a feather, etc. etc. These people will reap what they sow due.

I've been trying to tell myself how sad it is and how lucky I am to not live a life in fear of love. To the point of destruction of anyone who tries. The pain they leave us can and ultimately will be temporary. But generally these people live with this pain ten/ one hundred fold each day. But ultimately, they choose to submit to their pain. They choose to cowardly run from themselves. They choose to abuse you. They choose to entrench themselves in these patterns of thought. Deep down they know what is right and wrong, like all of us. Wallowing in self loathing justifications like a pig in PLEASE READ. They know what they are doing. Don't think for a second they don't. Thank whatever you believe in that you aren't like that. Be thankful for the person you are and the person you will become. One able to see the mirage as just another sinkhole as opposed to the oasis we all dream of.
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2020, 01:10:14 AM »

Hello, RomanticFool. I’ve seen you in pain here for a long time. It’s easy to recognize the intensity that you’ve been feeling all the while. Your list really stuck out to me. I have a straight forward question. How much have you explored your childhood? Have you ever done that with a professional?
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2020, 03:33:09 PM »

MrBig,

Thank you very much for your feedback, which I found both inspiring and insightful.

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It's abuse 101. That's the sickening part of people who do things like this. They set you up to abuse yourself far after they've left. It is someone consciously or subconsciously making an effort to spread their pain. Mostly by pushing people with a higher than average ability or willingness to deal with bullPLEASE READ to the point that literally every living being would react or retaliate. Then point the finger at you. Lack of empathy, friend.

This really struck a chord with me. I have really been delving into my own behaviour but I am also coming to the conclusion that I have been suffering from the effects of my entanglement in the relationship. It wasn't like the usual short term relationships I've had throughout my life. It was profound and damaging.

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Odds are man, from what I've seen, it's not as if you never existed to her. These people hold onto EVERYTHING. Mine was still genuinely bothered by embarrassments/ slights she suffered in fourth grade at the age of nearly 30 years old. If you had the stones to cut her out? She remembers bro, rest assured. They will feign things knowing it will hurt you. She could feel all the anger/heartbreak/regret in the world and never show it to you. Because then she'd "lose," childish right?

I have often wondered whether she suffers any regret about the way she treated me. I am pretty sure that she wanted me to chase her the second time she cut me off but I just didn't have the strength anymore to deal with her. I think coming on these boards, understanding my own agony and realising that I was not being treated well all conspired to make me stop going back for more punishment. As I've said above it's no longer about anger and blame, It's about analysing things as honestly as I can. There probably was a way I could have held onto the relationship in the short term but I just think she would have treated me worse and worse as time went on. She would need to do the same kind of work that I'm doing on myself before it would be possible to have a relationship with me (not that I think that is ever going to happen).

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She tried to put you on her little shelf and you said PLEASE READ you and jumped to safety. You denied her ego and took your power back in a powerful statement. "I may love you, but I cannot deal with this anymore. You are bad for me." That's a blow to just about anyone. Reap what they sow. A fear of being left, that leads to being left by anyone with a modicum of self respect. That takes courage man, be proud. These people know the most damaging thing is not hate but indifference. But you are in a mental box, I'd almost guarantee it. "The one(s) I was wrong about, the one(s) who cared but I pushed to leave, the one(s) I thought was a doormat/ enabler but was someone who really cared. That's a painful thing to face, especially for someone whose emotions are more or less stuck on 11 all the time. They want you to feel like nothing even if they are feeling everything. Master manipulators.

That is precisely what I did. I told her that emotionally I was completely done in by everything. What made me eventually stop chasing her was the lack of empathy and the total demonisation of my character. The silent treatment she instigated meant it was impossible to have any kind of meaningful discussion because every time she reconnected with me I was so hurt from the silence that I was too emotional to be rational. That to me is an abuse cycle that the constant cutting me off was perpetuating.

I think the main thing I would do differently now is try to avoid emotional thinking. For example when she accused me of using her for sex I should have sat her down and had a rational discussion with her. I did reassure her constantly at the time but it wasn't enough. I was the one who was married and so really the onus was on me to reassure her. I didn't do well in soothing her fears because I was always preoccupied with the fear of losing her. The only way this r/s would ever have stood a chance is if I had left my wife very early on and then realised that I was dealing with somebody volatile, demanding, insecure and ultimately unreliable. If I could have engaged in a relationship with her realising it was going to be stormy but also be the kind of person that wouldn't react to the provocation, I may have stood a chance. I just wasn't equipped to deal with her at the time. May never be equipped to deal with somebody who basically insults and tests constantly. It's a recipe for unhappiness ultimately.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2020, 03:40:18 PM »

Hi JNChell,

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I have a straight forward question. How much have you explored your childhood? Have you ever done that with a professional?

I'm doing that in my psycho-dynamic counselling sessions. I think there is a lack of nurturing from both parents which probably created an anxious attachment style that I have been repeating over and over again and am clearly attracted to women who create that need in me. I seem to always want what I can't have. More will hopefully be revealed in time.
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