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 on: May 26, 2026, 03:58:14 AM  
Started by NotHereButHere - Last post by Under The Bridge
Why does she get to easily just be happy and feel no guilt about what she has done?

Her 'happiness' will not be the happiness we non-BPD sufferers would have; it will only be bursts of happiness during her ever-changing emotions.  She can never stay in one mental state long enough to truly enjoy it as we would. For every burst of happiness there will be more chaos and turmoil in her life as her moods swing.

As for feeling no guilt, she probably does feel some guilt at times but due to her illness is unable to express it so re-writes the facts to enable her to cope with it. My exBPD of 4 years never once said 'sorry' or even came close to acknowledging she'd acted badly.

I've often said that I'm sure BPD's are far more aware of how they're acting than they would have us know and they do feel guilt to some degree but are unable to deal with it.

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 on: May 26, 2026, 03:55:35 AM  
Started by Rowdy - Last post by hotchip
Rowdy, I'm really sorry this has happened and that your FOO continues to enable this chaotic and toxic behaviour. I hope you find some mental peace.

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she has now shown her true colours and I no longer feel like a voice that no one can hear.

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Once this blows over, she may return to being an enabler since that was her role in her FOO. 

I agree with TellHill on this. The family's behaviour is not about reality or truth. It's about doing the thing that is easiest for them in the moment. If for years they've found it easier to paper over and ignore your ex's destructive actions, this is likely to continue. These dynamics sometimes remind me of The Simpsons and how every time Krusty the Clown meets Bart, he doesn't remember who Bart is.

It might be worth considering what you can do to protect yourself and your sons that relies purely on your own or their actions, and does not depend on cooperation from your ex and her FOO.

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 on: May 26, 2026, 02:43:41 AM  
Started by Rowdy - Last post by Rowdy
Yes I’m afraid they will all go back to enabling as you are right the FOO seems to be just as you say it is. She has a cousin that is just as bad if not worse. Has always been bad news, stealing, drug use, heroin abuse, getting involved in drug running ending up with dealers banging on family members doors when he has stolen money from them etc. and he has always had a free pass from his family, my ex clashes with him real bad because they are so alike. They both bullsh*t their way through things and I too am in disbelief at how people just fall for it.

They came home from hospital yesterday and my son asked us all round at 6 to see him. I was there with my ex, two sons, sons girlfriend and our grandson. My ex just carried on as if nothing had happened. I didn’t mention anything because it wasn’t the time or the place.

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 on: May 26, 2026, 02:40:40 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by hotchip
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But in my humble opinion, I think that deep down, pwBPD know full well that they are acting badly.  That's why the feel such deep SHAME, which is a huge feature of BPD.


CC43, your comments on shame are on the money. With uBPDx, the day after he cheated, he spent the entire day walking and walking without eating (and then came home and tried to deny what he had done, by retrospectively claiming we were not in a relationship). When I first told him that this wasn’t true and that his actions fit the definition of cheating, he nodded and said ‘sorry’ and seemed so ashamed he could not even lift his head.

Then, just over 2 weeks later and seemingly apropos of nothing, the lashing out began - accusations, word salad, demanding that I move out, etc.

It’s not really possible to logically reconcile uBPDx’s seemingly genuine deep regret for destroying his previous relationship through cheating, and his actions in our own relationship. But in emotional terms, it makes sense. uBPDx was able to emotionally paper over his previous misdeeds by telling a story to himself and others (me) that it was a special circumstance, his former partner’s fault for being ‘horrible’ and so on. I think when that story becoming unsustainable, the shame became unbearable and anything, to the point of treating me appallingly and telling desperate, stupid lies, became justified to him.

About two weeks after the cheating, and a few days before uBPDx started painting me black, we were talking about another situation. Someone being dishonest and seemed to live in two realities at once, both believing and disbelieving their own claims, even contradicting their own accusations at the same time as they were making them. I told uBPDx that I found this extremely destabilising. uBPDx looked at me with what seemed like great compassion and said, “Is it because of me?”

At the time, I didn’t understand. I didn’t know yet that he’d been lying to me, but he obviously did and it was preying on his mind. Which wouldn’t be the case if he was entirely incapable or not cognisant of his own actions.

There was another thing I might have mentioned before – uBPDx accused me of making him feel ‘guilty for existing’. I pointed out that a year ago, he had described another friend as making him feel ‘guilty for being alive’. He looked at me with hate and said, “Are you trying to make me feel guilty for wanting to kill myself”. Which is obviously nonsensical – pointing out that his mental health spirals were following a cycle, is not the same as trying to make him feel guilty for wanting to kill himself. These are two different things.

In this case, the reality – that he was mentally ill, that there was a problem in his own head, not just the outside world – that no-one else could save him from it – was completely intolerable to uBPDx. Blaming and projecting onto me was easier.

So to summarise, I believe uBPDx, and maybe many BPD people, know exactly what they are doing cognitively, but are unable to handle the truth emotionally because they don’t have the distress tolerance or other skills. The shame or awareness they have done wrong, or that they have responsibilities to fulfil that they don’t want to, feels like an assault to them. Lashing back feels like self-defence against the assault. Thus the projections, blame shifting, distortions of reality, etc.

But then, because they aren’t actually (for the most part) psychotic, they do know they are harming others tremendously. That their actions are bad and look bad to other people. Cue more intense shame. Which feeds into more desperate attempts to relieve shame. Which leads to more lashing out. And the cycle continues…

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If you went to the store to get a can of soup and it was the wrong brand by mistake- she'd feel you did it on purpose to upset you and she'd rage at you.

NotWendy, my mother was just the same! There was an incident in my childhood just like this but with fish, not soup.


 85 
 on: May 26, 2026, 02:31:24 AM  
Started by mssalty - Last post by Chosen
We've all been there and we all knew better.  I can remember so many arguments where I'd just try to listen patiently, to wait it out so it didn't escalate, and then they said one thing that was so offensive, so ridiculous that my mouth started talking before my brain had even processed it.

This! Sometimes I'd get too engaged in my own emotions that I forgot to hear the emotion behind their words. Whatever emotion they feel, it was ok, but the words they were using it to express were not, and all they really wanted at that point was to get us engaged in an argument so they could find a way to explode without being "wrong". It's so hard to always remind myself of that though, and when I forget, things get bad because I engaged and reacted in a bad way...

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 on: May 26, 2026, 01:27:19 AM  
Started by Rowdy - Last post by TelHill


So there we are. The weekend that was supposed to be filled with joy and happiness, welcoming our grandson into the world, and she makes it toxic and puts a dark cloud over it all. The one thing to come out of this is that she has now shown her true colours and I no longer feel like a voice that no one can hear. I’ve explained over and over to her sister how toxic she is and now she has shown it, she has proved the drug use, she has shown that she doesn’t care and is capable of throwing her own son under a bus, and both her and her boyfriend have displayed the behaviour that is as toxic as I’ve said it is all along.


Congrats on the birth of your grandson. He sounds perfect and adorable.

I'm really sorry your ex tripped out in public embarrassing herself and your family. I'm very sorry your sons had to witness her meltdown at the worst possible time. I have had a few pwBPD in my life and they have never thought twice about throwing me under the bus. I have never gotten used to their lack of conscience and self centeredness either.

I'm glad your ex SIL has seen your ex as she really is. It may be temporary. She has surely seen her sister's disordered behavior in the past. She didn't acknowledge it then. She may have acknowledged it now to not add to your distress or prevent more embarassment to her and her dad.

Once this blows over, she may return to being an enabler since that was her role in her FOO.  My late dBPD mother would spend days on end verbally attacking me and screaming when I was an minor living at home. One time she went off the deep end and started pushing me out of the blue. I think it was a psychotic episode.  My enabler  dad told her to stop and actually comforted me and protected me. I thought things would now change for the better for me.  I don't know if he was just de-escalating her behavior at the moment never intending to stand up to her permanently or if he wanted true change and was afraid to go forward with it, but he went back to enabling her and ignoring me.  I was bitterly disappointed.

What do you plan to do now that your grandson is here. Can you protect yourself from her outbursts and drug problems? What about your sons?

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 on: May 26, 2026, 12:19:41 AM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by TelHill
I often think my late dBPD mother was on the spectrum, due to her discomfort and awkwardness in social settings.  She did not do charming. 

We kids saw that some men seemed to be spellbound by BPD mother. Even some men who weren't romantically involved with her.

I think in a way, all romantic relationships have an initial "intensity" to it and everyone likes to feel special and loved. I think it's possible for someone to be attracted to a pwBPD and not be aware of issues, and then when the BPD behaviors are seen, be confused by them. Some may end the relationship at this point and some may not.  It may be that there are other factors that keep the relationship going with some people.

CC43, this sounds right to me. I think BPD people can be attractive to those who struggle to tell the difference between intensity and genuine intimacy, perhaps due to FOO issues. And to people who have an unmet need to feel special, unique, or chosen - maybe because they feel deprioritised or unvalued in other parts of their lives and intimate relationships. 


I'm guessing body language or demeanor indicates a person can be extremely exciting, challenging or dramatic and that can be incredibly attractive on a subconscious level.

As I said above my mother was neither charming nor sociable. She was dramatic and an expert at intense temper tantrums for no discernible reason.   She was very pretty and people paid attention to her even in her late 80s. The weird thing is I look like her and when with her, she was the one who got all the attention. And I was the younger version of her!

A former college roommate of mine was gorgeous. She had the same experience.

Her mother visited once and my roommate told me her mom would get all the attention when they went out. At the time, I thought her mom was old and not that attractive. (Sorry, I was 21 then.) I could not understand it.

She told me her mom was a bit strong-willed and difficult. I don't know if she had a personality disorder or not. My roommate was low key and introverted. She was normal.

The even weirder thing is my college roommate became an actress after graduation and was cast as one of the hot and pretty girls in a popular Hollywood movie in the 80s.  She's had medium to small roles in TV and film during her career and is not famous.   She’s  not anyone you would know.

She was a Hollywood-approved hot girl and men still chose her 50-year-old mom over her.  There’s something else going on besides physical hotness,

I think those with FOO issues may miss early red flags or explain them away.   I know people with  personality disorders may hide their worst traits until after marriage, an extended lovebombing so to speak. They learned which traits caused friends and partners to dump them in the past and adjusted their behavior to get what they wanted.

My late ex-h did that. There were a few red flags which I dismissed (big mistake) when we were engaged because he was such a sweetie. He was the perfect fiance. We were engaged for three years. He did a 180 and was abusive and scary during the marriage. I felt duped.

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 on: May 25, 2026, 10:47:17 PM  
Started by NotHereButHere - Last post by ForeverDad
Welcome back, though of course we wish your return was signaling a more joyful note.  But you do have a hint that you've taken reality in hand and are overall in a better place than before.

I know things are better without her and it will take time for this attachment to fade, when I left initially I was excited for her to find a new boyfriend and move on but I am starting to feel weird about it. Why does she get to easily just be happy and feel no guilt about what she has done? I feel tremendous guilt for leaving, but my kids reassure me a lot that I did the right thing. They do not want to talk to her at all and they avoid her phone calls and my older daughter even blocked her. When we went back my daughter told me that her mom "did not change" and she was right. After the kids saw me get strangled she jokingly said "I told you so".

I doubt your ex is truly happy, well, not in a healthy way.  As for her feeling no guilt, that's probably due to her warped (disordered) thinking and perspective.  Members here often speak of the Bullet: important point (click to insert in post) Karpman Drama Triangle.  Your ex probably embraces the Victim label, you as the Persecutor and her new guy as one of her Rescuers.

Can you share how your court ordered parenting schedule is split, percentwise?  We encourage our members, as the more reasonably normal parent, to seek as much parenting authority and time as possible.  Here is one of my past posts...

There is no single fix that resolves all the concerns.  However, there are partial solutions that can improve circumstances.  Many here faced with this quandary eventually turn to the courts to enable giving the children part of their lives calm and stability in a separate home.

Part of my leaving is so that my kids at least have one place they can go to that is stable and where they can feel safe and not be verbally abused.

Exactly!

Living in a calm and stable home, even if only for part of their lives, will give the children a better example of normalcy for their own future relationships.  Nearly 30 years ago the book Solomon's Children - Exploding the Myths of Divorce had an interesting observation on page 195 by one participant, As the saying goes, "I'd rather come from a broken home than live in one."  Ponder that.  Taking action will enable your lives, or at least a part of your lives, to be spent be in a calm, stable environment — your home, wherever that is — away from the blaming, emotional distortions, pressuring demands and manipulations, unpredictable ever-looming rages and outright chaos.

Likely your children would benefit from counseling, just as you benefited.  (Your ex might oppose that, but court would likely side with you.  As my lawyer told me years ago, "Courts love counseling.")  Your example - and the input of counselors too - will help the children to be balanced in their selection of mentally healthy relationships in their own lives as adults.

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 on: May 25, 2026, 08:27:51 PM  
Started by NotHereButHere - Last post by NotHereButHere
I have posted here a few times over the years. I've left and went back to the relationship multiple times so this seems familiar. I understand logically that leaving was best for my kids and for myself but its hard to get over the sudden change. I am used to constantly de-escalating her mood swings or trying to keep her from lashing out at the kids so now with all of this free time I dont even know what to do with myself. I have been trying to oversaturate myself at work to stay busy but I am getting burnt out.

The last 2 years with my ex have been terrible. She choked me 3 or 4 times over the last 2 years, beat herself up and threatened to call police to say I did it, threatens to kill herself over relatively small inconveniences, and yells and says awful things to the kids.

I tried to leave before and she hid my keys, wallet, and physically held onto me to prevent me from leaving. I was able to get my dads help to get myself and the kids out without her going too far overboard.

Once I left, she tried to get me to come back by saying that she will get a job (money was never the deciding factor in my leaving) and she said she got terribly sick and wanted me to take care of her. She never acknowledged anything that she did wrong and frames it as if I am just abandoning her "for no reason". 

From a distance she can make herself look perfect, and most people around her fall for that, I certainly did a few times. I have not been perfect but would never put her and the kids through the things she has put us through.

I know things are better without her and it will take time for this attachment to fade, when I left initially I was excited for her to find a new boyfriend and move on but I am starting to feel weird about it. Why does she get to easily just be happy and feel no guilt about what she has done? I feel tremendous guilt for leaving, but my kids reassure me a lot that I did the right thing. They do not want to talk to her at all and they avoid her phone calls and my older daughter even blocked her. When we went back my daughter told me that her mom "did not change" and she was right. After the kids saw me get strangled she jokingly said "I told you so".

Typing these things out does help sometimes, reviewing notes I have taken and even recordings of her outbursts. Its just been a difficult day for me with these thoughts so I am venting on this forum.

Thanks to anyone reading, this forum has helped me a lot in the past.

Links to previous posts below for more context
First post https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=357510
Second post https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=357620.0
Third post https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=357862.msg13210462#msg13210462
Fourth post https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=358853.msg13217681#msg13217681
Fifth post https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=358853.msg13217681#msg13217681

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 on: May 25, 2026, 03:20:52 PM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by Notwendy
CC43, this sounds right to me. I think BPD people can be attractive to those who struggle to tell the difference between intensity and genuine intimacy, perhaps due to FOO issues. And to people who have an unmet need to feel special, unique, or chosen - maybe because they feel deprioritised or unvalued in other parts of their lives and intimate relationships.


We kids saw that some men seemed to be spellbound by BPD mother. Even some men who weren't romantically involved with her. My father seemed to be, but also some family friends and even relatives.  BPD mother had an emotional need to have people "do things for her" - run errands, household tasks, and if someone did something for her she'd be so appreciative and attentive to them, they'd feel special.

I think in a way, all romantic relationships have an initial "intensity" to it and everyone likes to feel special and loved. I think it's possible for someone to be attracted to a pwBPD and not be aware of issues, and then when the BPD behaviors are seen, be confused by them. Some may end the relationship at this point and some may not.  It may be that there are other factors that keep the relationship going with some people.


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