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 on: February 19, 2026, 01:01:59 PM  
Started by SuperDaddy - Last post by Pook075
Hi Pook075, I think you misunderstood what I said, or you didn't see the middle ground. When I hypothesized to "use her fear of being replaced to direct her into more treatment adherence," I was not talking about rejection nor manipulation. It only means that when she becomes insecure about the future, instead of reassuring her and making sure she relaxes, I would say that I'm disappointed with the fact that she is not putting much effort in the form of treatment adherence and therefore not improving, so I'm not sure about our future, which is true. The rest that she will think is up to her.


Here's the thing though from your wife's viewpoint.  For someone with mental illness, they will take your statement of "You need to make more effort in getting treatment" to mean "You're nuts and you'll never be good enough for me."

I'm not suggesting that you said anything like that, mind you, but what someone says and what a mentally ill person hears are often two very different things.  And since your wife is looking for any form of rejection anyway, this is an easy one for her to find and focus on.

It's almost impossible to tell anyone to get into therapy, and even if they comply, that doesn't mean that they'll do the work to improve.  You can hire the best psychiatrists in the world and it honestly wouldn't make a bit of difference if your wife isn't ready to accept that she's mentally ill and put in the work to actively change.

Think of it this way.  Someone is deathly afraid of spiders.  You tell them that they have to walk through a room packed full of spiders, and they must stop and talk to each one of them along the way. 

That's probably how your request "feels" to your wife...for her it's unthinkable due to past traumas and mental illness.

I'm not trying to take her side here, I just want you to realize how much of an ask you're placing on her by making that a condition of reconciliation (really, it's the top 2 conditions).  It's just a lot to ask and the chances of success are very slim without some compromises in there.  Many people never recover and even those who do show significant progress still face major obstacles.

For BPDs, trust is everything and it has to be rebuilt on both sides.  I'm just trying to be honest here because if you do want to save the relationship, this doesn't feel like a sustainable goal at the moment.

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 on: February 19, 2026, 12:26:46 PM  
Started by SuperDaddy - Last post by SuperDaddy
In the four years I've been on this site, and after reading about hundreds of others in this exact position, not a single one of the rejected spouses stuck around long-term.  Instead, they sought love elsewhere and quickly replaced their partner.

Hi Pook075, I think you misunderstood what I said, or you didn't see the middle ground. When I hypothesized to "use her fear of being replaced to direct her into more treatment adherence," I was not talking about rejection nor manipulation. It only means that when she becomes insecure about the future, instead of reassuring her and making sure she relaxes, I would say that I'm disappointed with the fact that she is not putting much effort in the form of treatment adherence and therefore not improving, so I'm not sure about our future, which is true. The rest that she will think is up to her.

What I agree with is:

A) It is a very bad idea to reject a partner when we still love them and have hopes of reconciliation, because this is being dishonest with ourselves, with our own feelings. Even if we are angry, we should not be rejectful.

B) When angry, we feel like being rejectful, but any rejectful words/actions that we use will be very destructive to the relationship (especially with a sensible partner) and may be misaligned with our goals. Similarly, manipulative rejection would be misaligned with our goals as well.

Yet, I don't think that legitimate rejection would always lead to the results you said (them replacing us). If the rejection is done for a valid and indisputable reason and you are doing it while being honest and truthful with your own feelings, then the tendency is that the rejected partner regrets their own attitudes and tries to crawl back, especially after you have already engaged in a new relationship.

All of my long-term partners made serious re-approximation efforts some time after being rejected, right after figuring out they were actually being replaced. In contrast, it never made any difference for me whether they got a new partner or not, except for some worries about who would be around the kids. But for my knowledge, my two ex-wives were never able to sustain a stable relationship anyway, so they never actually replaced me. My histrionic ex, though, has always been engaged, but I never worried about it because I don't have kids with her, and I don't want her back. I want her happy (we are friends).

In the case of my wife, replacing me is hardly possible because of her panic disorder and specific phobia that she developed after being sexually assaulted. When I first met her, she had been about 1 year without meeting anyone because of that. It took me so much effort to get her to our first encounter. Now with kids, it becomes much harder.

But anyway, I have already told her that I will only get her back with 4 conditions:

1) Recovery from her problem with aggressiveness and conflict-seeking towards intimate partner (me)
2) Recover from her specific phobia, which makes the living together too limiting
3) Our sex life is reactivated (she needs to add the intrauterine contraceptive unit to stop getting anxious about pregnancy and work out whatever other anxiety issue that might be getting in the way).
4) She needs to regain my trust, which was broken after she used a dating app for a month under my nose and continuously lied about it.

By the way, item 4 happened in 2024, after I had requested her to leave my place. I take some responsibility for it because I was not being truthful with myself when I rejected her as if I didn't still love her. So you are correct in that sense, and I figured it out. However, the problem is that (a) she did it while still being in my place and didn't leave, and (b) she admitted to some of it but lied about many details, so she broke the trust.

It may seem too much, but if I gave up on any of the 4 items, I would make myself an enabler, weak, and of little value. This decision makes me feel strong, instead. I'm done accommodating.


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 on: February 19, 2026, 11:15:41 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by SuperDaddy
Hi PainLovePain,

Yes, I understand that the restraining order does not allow communication. But I was not sure if you were following this restriction because you wrote, "I haven't talked to her in a couple days now".

Here in Brazil, the restraining orders are only given against men, and it doesn't matter if the woman keeps contacting him every day or even meeting him. If she sleeps with him, and he can prove it, he will still need a good lawyer and luck to get the restraining order dropped. Most likely it is renewed over and over, on her request, for up to a few years. And she doesn't need any proof to get the restraining order in the first place. Just her word is enough. So it's the perfect tool for parental alienation of the kids through means of false domestic violence claims.

Anyway, when you finally talk to her, I recommend you apologize for saying that it was not your problem. A normal person would not take this "with fire and sword", but for someone with BPD it's different.

In regard to money, I don't see a problem in sending small amounts of money to make sure she eats. But since she is impulsive, it's better to send food instead, or at least send very small amounts with high frequency. Hopefully you can do that without contacting her.

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 on: February 19, 2026, 11:15:13 AM  
Started by Ronnie Lo - Last post by Ronnie Lo
Hello Mutt,

Thank you so much for the reply and taking the time to read. I understand it is a lengthy story.

The intensity of the relationship has made it hard for me to sever the trauma bond. Living nearby in an area that feels triggering still keeps my nervous system activated to that bond, so unfortunately, I have made little progress in moving on.

Meanwhile, he is probably living a new, survival-based identity right now, with the bond completely compartmentalized. I worry that a future charm may also take place and reactivate all my anxiety. It also hurts to know that he may never reach out again. My anxiety was so severe post-rupture actually, that I ended up in hospital with atrial fibrillation.

I do not have BPD myself, at least that I know of, but I do have ADHD and an anxious attachment as mentioned. Currently I do go to therapy myself, but I live alone and that has been pretty isolating for me.

It's reassuring to have a place like this forum to connect with people through similar intense experiences like this.

Thank you again.


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 on: February 19, 2026, 10:49:08 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by Pook075
If anyone here has been in a similar place — especially navigating separation while still caring deeply — I would really appreciate hearing what helped you find clarity and stability.

Hello and welcome to the family- I'm so sorry we're meeting under these circumstances.

You've already received some excellent advice and I don't have much more to add, other than to say that countless other members here have been in your exact position.  Separating, even temporarily, has nothing to do with loving that other person and everything to do with what's best for you right now, today.

You've accomplished the hard part...you created some space.  Use this time to heal and get back to the person you are in this world once you're outside the drama and heartache.  That will serve you the best no matter what the eventual outcome, because you'll be in a better headspace and better prepared to make rational decisions.

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 on: February 19, 2026, 10:32:58 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by Mutt
Hi PainLovePain, 

What you're feeling makes sense in light of what you've lived through. When a relationship flips between deep closeness and chaos, the end can feel like coming off a drug. That doesn't mean you made a bad choice. It points to a body and mind that have been tense for a long time. 

This wasn't a minor dispute. Police were called, there was a hold, and a restraining order. Those steps don't happen for no reason, and you didn't take them lightly. It's okay to trust the part of you that said, "I'm not safe," and then moved to protect yourself. 

Missing her doesn't change any of that. Loving her doesn't, either. Both truths can stand together.  Right now, the restraining order draws a clear line-legally and emotionally. As strange as it sounds, that distance might be the first real pause either of you has had in years. Crossing it, even to offer money or a short message, could pull you back into the same knots and may create legal trouble.

It seems wise to speak with a lawyer before taking any step that might blur that boundary.  You've already noticed this, but it's worth saying out loud: moving in to rescue her-financially or emotionally-might soothe the urge to fix, at least for a moment. But it can also reopen the very pattern that left you drained. 

You don't have to resolve everything today. The hearing is two weeks away. Aim for steadiness until then. Try to sleep. Eat on a schedule if you can. Get some fresh air or light movement. Reach out to one steady, safe person.  Clearer thinking tends to arrive when your nervous system settles, not in the middle of that raw, restless pull. 

You're not wrong for loving her. And you're not wrong for keeping yourself safe. 

Hang in there,

—Mutt

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 on: February 19, 2026, 10:12:08 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by Horselover
I very much understand the impulse to send her money and why are worried about her. If you are certain she will starve to death, or feel there is a very real risk of this, obviously you should intervene in some way.

I just want to point something out. Not everyone may agree with me, but this is how I see it. When we rescue, we send a very conflicted message to the pwBPD that they can do anything to us and we will still take care of them and protect them. Which can have the opposite effect of what we want - not holding them accountable and not letting them experience the natural consequences of their actions. In my opinion, it also cheapens our own value.

I am not minimizing the fact your wife has a serious mental illness, which is horrible, and we can have empathy for her that she has to live with this significant challenge. However, she is still accountable for dealing with her issues.

Back to you, why are you "saving" someone who put you in actual physical danger? Aside from making a decision on whether or not to send her money (and I know it is not an easy decision), I would say maybe take a bit of time to think about the answer to that question.

Hope that helps!


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 on: February 19, 2026, 09:56:24 AM  
Started by M604V - Last post by SinisterComplex
Hi everyone.  It’s been two long, grueling years since my last confession.

I’ve been thinking and unpacking and ruminating about what’s transpired in the last two years–or even two decades–and I really just wanted a place to put what I’ve learned.  And what I’ve discovered, what’s really at the heart of it for me, is this:

I don’t have low self esteem; I have no self esteem.  It’s not that I hate myself.  I just don’t consider myself at all.  I have become so good at attuning to others that I have completely erased myself from the equation.  Other people provide the gravity that keeps me tethered, and I find the most powerful gravity source is romantic connection.

I really don’t want to rail on exes and dispense with some missive about how bad pwBPD are and how they’ve ruined my life.  I’m actually hoping to speak to the rest of us, “the others”, and I hope that my story might help someone else put into words what they’ve been feeling.  Or at least not feel so alone and confused.

I’ll spare you my backstory; you can read about it here:
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=356517.msg13200402#msg13200402
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=356642.msg13201350#msg13201350
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=356552.msg13200666#msg13200666

  But my story is pretty similar to everyone else’s: I was married to a woman for about 13 years who showed many of the signs of BPD in addition to being depressed, distant, detached and an active alcoholic for most of our marriage.  The relationship was marked by wild mood swings, baseless accusations, suicide threats and attempts, manipulation, blame shifting, gaslighting, and the overall attitude that none of that really happened, she didn’t do it, it wasn’t her fault and it didn’t need to be acknowledged or addressed.

Two years ago (today, in fact) was the final straw.  She put her hands on me during an argument and I just knew it was time.  It was minor, no injury or anything, but I knew there was no turning back from this.  I left the house about five weeks later and filed for divorce.

I left the relationship feeling good.  I mean, this wasn’t what I wanted, but I felt positive and hopeful.  I felt free.  I had my own place, the kids were with me half the time.  We were adjusting and coping and there was reason to believe that the future would be bright.  My ex-wife didn’t implode as I had feared.  That’s not to say she’s coped well, because she hasn’t.  But I feared a devastating relapse and eventual suicide or other major crisis.  That hasn’t happened.

And I felt comfortable moving on romantically.  I wasn’t pursuing it, but I was open to it.  From my vantage point the failure of my marriage wasn’t on me.  I wasn’t the one doing the “bad things”, I had been in therapy for years, I was posting and reading here, I was confiding in friends, I’m not an alcoholic or drug addict.  And I knew in my heart that I had tried really really hard to make the marriage work.  Naturally I concluded:

The marriage failed because of her, not me.  I’ve done my learning and growing.  I’m good.

There were a couple dates here and there, arranged through mutual friends.  I kept the dates but wasn’t interested in pursuing these people further.  And I was relieved.  I thought: “See? Your antenna is up.  Your discernment is high.  You’re not falling for the first woman with a pulse.  You’re good!”

A few months later I met (GF) and was immediately compelled.  There was a certain je ne sais quoi about her.  An undefinable quality.  An energy, a magnetism.  Something about her made me want to know more.  We really clicked, really seemed to like and enjoy each other and things went from there.

Mind you I had done a full work-up on GF before I let my guard down.  And I can honestly say that she was the polar opposite of my ex-wife, everything from her mannerisms, attitude, personality, even her appearance.   I looked for the warning signs and saw none.  I checked the closet for skeletons and didn’t see any.  “Ok.  This one checks out.  Full speed ahead.”

How wrong I was, how quickly I knew I was wrong and, most importantly:

How willing I was to override my instincts in the name of love and connection.

I’ll spare you the story but it went basically like this: we had just started sleeping with each other, and we clicked in the bedroom too. The next evening we were together, with plans on just staying in for a low-energy evening.  Suddenly she came out of the bathroom and said “I have to go.  I have to be with my cats.  I have to be in my own bed,” and just left.  I walked her to her car and even then, just a few weeks in, I knew: “This is a trap.  This moment, right now, is where you get stuck.  Say ‘good night’, give her a peck on the cheek, and let her go.”

We had plans to meet the next day that she blew off.  Stood me up, just like in the movies.  I finally connected with her later that day and she said “Yea, sorry.  I just needed some ‘me time’ and I didn’t want to talk.”  Moment #2: “Let her go.  Do not chase her.  Let this go.  This is the moment that will trap you.”  But I couldn’t let it go.  I had already fallen victim to my dilemma.  My own trap, the one I’ve been trying to outrun since I was a child:

This is because she’s not seeing you properly.  You must try harder.  You must prove yourself.

And I did try harder.  I stayed in it.  And without knowing it–or despite the fact that deep down I did know it–I locked myself into the dance: 

she will move away to control her fear of being seen, and I will move closer to control my fear of disappearing.

Because that’s just it, right?  I have spent my entire fvcking adult life being everyone’s firefighter.  Attuning to them, anticipating their needs, serving them, putting them first.  It’s all I know.  It’s how I buy my right to exist. It’s the only evidence I have that proves I am real. So when GF suddenly ghosts and wants ‘me time’ I don’t have that angel on my shoulder.  The one who talks about loving myself first, plenty of fish in the sea, and all of that. 

I came up with no real, coherent sense of self.  I was a collection of accomplishments, titles, roles, failures, two ex-wives, two children.  I adopted this idea that I am only as good as what everyone sees in me.  And I never really got the impression that people truly saw ME.  They just saw a uniform, or a title, or a role, or some act of selflessness that made THEM feel good, left me hoping for some reciprocity and acceptance and, ultimately, left me feeling used, depleted and unseen.  I was so desperate to finally be seen, accepted and kept (especially by a romantic partner) that the thought of abandoning that possibility in the name of self-protection is so foreign to me that it might as well not even be in English.

And who am I when I’m not being reflected in the eyes of others? I have no clue.  No idea.  I don’t know who I am.  In the literal sense.  I just don’t.  I only know utility, endurance and competence.  So that’s what I’ve been trying to sell the world for 45 years.  I will love you so well, so competently, that I will become indispensable in your life.  You will change.  You will get better  You will see that I am the only constant.  I did not abandon you.  Then I am allowed to exist.  Then I become immortal.

That’s it for right now.  There’s a lot more.  So much more in terms of this relationship, what I’ve learned, moments that left me a sobbing mess.  Some beautiful memories, some not so nice ones, and a desperate need to believe that there’s a better future for me somewhere.

I’ll try and repost soon.  Thank you for reading. 


Perhaps spend more time on being comfortable in your own skin just existing and being YOU. I'm serious. Instead of wondering who you are follow the KISS method. In essence, just be YOU and realize that is enough. You are not supposed to have all the answers.

I mean as an example my friend...I am who I am. I make no apologies and I embrace my flaws and I know what I know, but I am also well aware of what I do not know. I'm not a cuddly soft nice guy. In many respects you might hear many say I'm an Bullet: comment directed to __ (click to insert in post)$$hole or yeah he can be a real pr*ck. However, on the flip side...you see me with my little princess of a dog (yes huge hulking mountain of a man with a little tiny 15lb dog), or when I am with kids well then its like is this the same person? The answer is yes...acknowledge there are many shades to your personality.

Don't spend wasted time on trying to define yourself. Spend that time just being you and letting it be natural. I say that as a means to dissuade the potential for you to fall into the role-playing or creating a mask pitfall.

How I play it...I'm just ME and just another guy and I do not try to be anything different or other than that.

Just realize you are enough and you matter as you are.

Cheers and Best Wishes!

-SC-

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 on: February 19, 2026, 09:47:38 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by PainLovePain
Great question Horselover.  I sent her money the day that I let her come in to pick up some of her clothes.  That was a Friday, and now almost a week later, I was debating whether or not to send her some more.  Like you said "consequences", but also the provider/ protector in me is wanting to make sure she can eat, etc.  What do you think?

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 on: February 19, 2026, 09:40:37 AM  
Started by PainLovePain - Last post by Horselover
Glad to hear that you are taking care of yourself in the meantime.
Question for you to think about - why are you sending her money rather than letting her experience the natural consequences of her actions?

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