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 on: April 13, 2026, 02:47:40 PM  
Started by wantmorepeace - Last post by GlobeTrotterGirl
Hi

My aunt gets forced into periods of no contact with my uBPD mother who gets it in for her. When the episode passes they have an ok relationship for a while but the the venom ok my mother eventually builds again - my poor aunt is the sweetest woman and her only crime in life is to be a younger sibling that my mum still.haa childlike resentment for. We currently are in a really bad episode with my other where she is NC with my aunt again and my brother and I need to minimal contact from her. It just doesn't seem to last and this episode she doesn't seem to be snapping out of .

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 on: April 13, 2026, 01:52:21 PM  
Started by BPDstinks - Last post by CC43
Hi there,

It's sad, but the unbelievable is utterly believable when it comes to BPD.  Generally speaking, her expectations of others are unrealistic.  My guess is that when she called you, she fully expected you to drop everything and jump her car--and when you declined because it was inconvenient for you, she went ballistic, because it just didn't enter her mind that you would be busy with your life.  She thinks, HER life should always come first, HER problems are YOURS to solve.  And so she spirals, incredibly angry.  Further, she probably thought that when she showed you just how angry she was, you'd change your mind and help her.  When you declined, thinking she'd understand because you were at work, she was doubly wounded, and so she'll punish you, probably by not allowing her kid(s) to see you.  She became so angry that she couldn't think straight, let alone find a viable solution to her minor problem.  She could wait for her husband to come home (I assume she has a husband since she's pregnant but I could be wrong).  She could ask the nextdoor neighbor for a jump.  She could call AAA.  She could take an Uber for the day.  But no, in her mind, you were evil incarnate, selfish, narcissistic, a let down, the ruiner of her entire life.  All because her car battery died, as if that's a major crisis.

I think you did the right thing.  You're allowed to say NO, when you're too busy or inconvenienced.  The thing is, your daughter has to learn that others have the right to say NO, and not take it like a personal affront.  With BPD, she hears something like, "NO, I don't love you, you're incompetent and your day is completely ruined," instead of "NO, I'm too busy right now, but I can stop by after work if you still need a jump then."

As for 10-year-old girls getting manicures and the pwBPD in your life expecting you to pay for it, I probably wouldn't have gotten the manicures.  I think salon manicures are expensive and also inappropriate for girls that young, unless they are choosing to spend their allowance money that way.  I would have said, Let's go to my house and we'll have a manicure party.  I have nail files, clear nailpolish and French tip marker, and the girls could trim and paint each other's nails, maybe even paint some Polka dots or squiggles, or add some aluminum foil flecks.  In a pinch I might have given them a budget of $5 to pick out a polish at the drug store.   No way would I have shelled out around $100 including tips.  Chances are the girls would have more fun and more interaction with each other at a "home manicure party" than if they had gone to a salon.  Best of all, they could show off their own miniature works of art.

Regarding the statement that you only want to do the fun things--Yes, that's what grandmas are for!  Why wouldn't you want to do the fun things?  You're not the parent, she is.  You shouldn't have to do the chauffeuring, doctor's appointments, PTA meetings, disciplining, caring for sick kids, etc., unless you choose to.  You should get quality time with the grandkids.

As for the frequent moves, that sounds familiar.  The pwBPD in my life seems to think that her "living situation" is constantly causing her distress.  She has moved around five times in the last year alone.  My guess is that she thinks she needs a "fresh start" and a "change of scenery" to feel better.  Sometimes I thinks she spends so much time moving residences to avoid dealing with her life head-on, such as working regularly at a job.  You see, she'll spend a lot of time searching for a place.  For her, moving day stretches into moving week or longer.  She'll need a few additional weeks to "settle in," whereas most people unpack boxes in the spare hours between working and sleeping.  It's almost as if moving has become her "occupation," in the vain attempt to make her life better.  But the problem isn't the "living situation," it's with her.  Even so, I think that for her, changing residences feels like fleeing from her everyday problems.  I think it's linked to her general issue of unrealistic expectations--that her life will magically become better when she moves.  Alas, she's constantly disappointed.

I guess my advice is to know that your daughter's problems are NOT your problems to solve.  In fact, if your daughter says, Jump, and you ask, How high?, you're training her to expect ever more and more from you.  If you feel resentful, that's a sure sign that you're over-functioning for your daughter.  I think you might benefit by being less available to your daughter to solve her everyday problems.  I call this "slow walking."  Instead of taking a personal day off work and rushing to do your daughter's bidding, you might slow things down.  I gave an example above:  "I can't jump your car right now, but if you still need one at the end of the day, I can swing by after work."  Chances are she'll find another solution before then.  The only way she'll learn some resourcefulness is if you give her more time and space to calm down and think through solutions that don't involve calling Mom and having a meltdown.  Granted, she'll probably be mad at you if you decline to do her bidding like you used to.  But she's mad at you already.  Just know that it's not your fault, it's your daughter's BPD and her unreasonable expectations.  Chances are she'll reach out to you again soon enough . . . probably when she needs something yet again.  And you have the right to say NO if you don't want to.

Just my two cents.

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 on: April 13, 2026, 01:43:15 PM  
Started by BPDstinks - Last post by BPDstinks
I actually have a therapist who specializes in children/young adults with BPD!  I think I can "handle" her pretty good & know when her moods are "escalating" however, in all honestly, work is wild & I am trying to manage my OWN life...(she does not work...I am quite sure 4 kids are aLOT, but, I had 3 kids and worked full time, as some do, so....) I am just going to see if she ASKS if I want to see the kids and pace myself....I always feel bad for them, however, my therapist said, they have been raised on chaos, so, are "used" to it....seems sad to me (HER mother, is very nice, however, she does not even know how to handle this...we used to take turns, however, she told me her "nerves" cannot take it)

 84 
 on: April 13, 2026, 01:06:17 PM  
Started by CG4ME - Last post by ForeverDad
One thing you can do is - after you file for divorce - get therapy recommended for your kids, and have the therapist written into the temporary orders, and eventually the final decree.  You don't want your BPDex to be able to manipulate the situation by "forum shopping" for a therapist they can control - and there are unethical therapists out there.  Have someone vet trustworthy therapists and pick on them, or let your STBX pick from a list.  Also,  have the therapist select a successor in the event they retire!

It's probably obvious that if you let your stbEx select counselors for the children that (1) your ex would drag his heels, (2) switch counselors whenever ex was in a snit or (3) purposely choose counselors who were inexperienced, gullible or biased.  Yet - although court loves counseling even if one parent refuses to cooperate - court may want both parents involved in the selection.

This is where we use strategic forethought.  Vet and select a short list of respected and even recommended counselors.  Present that list so the ex can pick from those vetted counselors.  Court may be happier if both parents share in the selection.  Of course, everyone's ex is a little bit different so some of these solutions may need tweaking for your situation.

The overall concept is that you need to have as much control of the process as possible.  Otherwise your ex may be inclined to control or sabotage.

Be cautious about the court's presumption that shared but unspecified custody will work.  Perhaps that works in most divorces but our sort of {disordered spouse} divorces need some specifics declared in writing.  Will the court allow you to have some aspects of overall custody, such as with "decision making" or "tie breaker" status?  With that in place for the most likely categories of obstruction then some of the delays and conflict can be avoided to some extent.

 85 
 on: April 13, 2026, 12:15:08 PM  
Started by CG4ME - Last post by wantmorepeace
I love this advice not to panic.  I panic all the time and when I can exit panicking I'm so much happier!!!  Not panicking is hard AND helpful.

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 on: April 13, 2026, 12:12:53 PM  
Started by BPDstinks - Last post by wantmorepeace
I'm so sorry!!!  Serious short straw.  Do you have support?

 87 
 on: April 13, 2026, 11:05:19 AM  
Started by BPDstinks - Last post by BPDstinks
What kind of short straw did I draw!  I have TWO (I use the term family member loosely) my daughter has BPD (I have written books about HER) my granddaughters' (NO relation to me (my son's "fling" (his daughter is my blood relation, I have taken all 4 "under my wing" and call them my grandchildren, the 2nd oldest I am very close to) mother has BPD; I have dealt with her for 8 1/2 years, back and forth, "you can see the kids, you can't see the kids, on & on" (the longest stretch of no contact was 10 days) way back in the beginning I cried and begged; fast forward, they live very close to me, I see them very often; she is on baby #4 and her moods are OUT of control....I pretty much "lay low", however, there have been 2 episodes back to back that have me REELING (basically, she will change the plans with the kids so much, that I get confused) (I work full time, at a very hectic job) or she will call me, while I am at work & ask me ridiculous favors (can I take a break to come & jump her car (at 7 am (I start work at 7 am) and when I cannot do these things, than I am "not allowed to see the kids" (her words, "I only want to do the fun things" (there is so much crazy talk, I could go on for days"; this past Friday, was easy peasy....take my oldest granddaughter to get her nails done (I don't think a 10 year old needs this, but...) and dinner), 4 phone calls later, I end up taking the "friend" (the friend NEVER has money, the friend's mother is never anywhere to be found) the friend is IN my car with NO money, so, I call granddaughters mom, saying, where is the money (I will pay for a burger here & there but...nails? I don't get my nails done....) oh my goodness, the heavens above opened up (this turned into a litany of I ruined a bday party (in January, (that I took over b/c she was SO nervous) (an overnight pool party (these girls were SO bad the manager called me, yes, I was very nervous) etc. on & on, it was like everything she said was HER, (I was disorganized (I am NOT) confused (not) poor (not), etc.  I was literally so frazzled at the end of this...it makes me want to NOT see the kids & I love these kids, she did the I can see them once a month, because I am do disorganized with the plans (I offered to take them to the zoo...it does not get much easier than that) I am to the point, I am just going to wait, if she offers, does anyone know HOW to deal with such a person? this is the worst she has acted in the 8+ years (I do not doubt is is hormones) (oh, and she is moving, AGAIN, for the 10th!) time....it was just hurtful and cruel (I hate to EVER say, the other 3 are NOT related to me, but....I feel like my fighting to see them is falling thin

 88 
 on: April 13, 2026, 10:58:55 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by PeteWitsend
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I'm not sure why I still find it hard to detach. ...
 

It's normal.  Being treated unfairly by a pwBPD leaves a lot of feelings on the table, so to speak.  You never really get closure, and if you try to, i.e. if you reach out, all you'll get is more spin, more excuses, more blame shifting, and end up even more frustrated.

And in these relationships, there's no way to "win"... the only alternatives you have are to stay & suffer in their world, live in their warped reality, or to get out and move on.  So there's maybe some bitterness there, and some desire to "correct" this unfairness, but really you can't.  You can maybe just be a witness to their behavior, and in the event you get a chance to confide in someone else how they really are, take that opportunity.  That's about as close as you can get to revenge here (aside from physical violence, which I am not advocating!  Smiling (click to insert in post))

Consider it a learning experience and know you're not alone here. 

 89 
 on: April 13, 2026, 10:48:30 AM  
Started by CG4ME - Last post by PeteWitsend
...

Any advice would be so appreciated.  I want to get on with my life and help my daughter improve hers.  We both deserve better.

Thanks in advance

I had some of your same concerns with respect to my STBXW trying to alienate the kids and how they would behave. 

One thing you can do is - after you file for divorce - get therapy recommended for your kids, and have the therapist written into the temporary orders, and eventually the final decree.  You don't want your BPDex to be able to manipulate the situation by "forum shopping" for a therapist they can control - and there are unethical therapists out there.  Have someone vet trustworthy therapists and pick on them, or let your STBX pick from a list.  Also,  have the therapist select a successor in the event they retire! 

Other than that, you can be sure a BPDx is going to behave as you would expect during divorce and afterward: they are going to be petty, spiteful, dishonest, and vindictive, and do not hesitate to try to drag the kids into it.  But this is no reason to stay in a bad marriage, and knowing this ahead of time gives you an opportunity to prepare.

The advice I received that helped the most was not to panic, not to engage with the BPDx, and don't sink to their level.  The kids will watch, and they understand more than you give them credit for.  when you demonstrate you're there for them, and their view of reality aligns more with yours than the BPD parent, they'll figure out who they can trust.  It's a long process though, and it's not without speed bumps.

 90 
 on: April 13, 2026, 10:12:27 AM  
Started by Pinkcamellias - Last post by wantmorepeace
I am so sorry for your pain and glad for your clarity. I know this will be a process. In the hard times, remember that you deserve joy and tranquility and it will return.

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