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 on: September 08, 2025, 05:05:46 AM  
Started by JazzSinger - Last post by JazzSinger

Is he in a DBT program that you let him remain living with you? It’s worrisome that you’re relying on your doorman or anyone besides police and a separate residence to keep you safe. That means to me he’s capable of scaring you or at the very worst hurting you.


Hi TelHill,

Thank you so much for sharing. 

My H is untreated and has never been in a program.  I don’t fear physical abuse, but I would be comfortable relying on our security team to work with me, and possibly contact the police, if it ever came to that. Its more than I’ve done in the past.   I will no longer allow him to be  around me if he appears to be having break with reality, or if the verbal abuse becomes too much.  In the past, I just waited it out. 

I don’t know what this peaceful break is. It doesn’t feel like love bombing.  He’s still his miserable self, but he’s not doing as much complaining, and he is no longer criticizing me and putting me down, 24/7. I can speak freely in my own home, without baseless arguments and bullying from him.  It feels great. 

If the monster returns tomorrow, I AM DIFFERENT NOW.  I think that’s the most important thing.  I’m navigating uncharted waters, but I am a STRONGER  swimmer.  I can deal with whatever comes next. 

One day at a time.

Thanks again.

Jazz

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 on: September 08, 2025, 04:49:12 AM  
Started by sweetlyblessed - Last post by Notwendy
  • At the moment, and for the past decade or so, we are okay with losing connection with his brother and their nuclear family.

    I believe she would still have power in my head going LC, as I know she would cry to my MIL,

    Still, but it seems like this will still prevent SIL from being able to smear reality around the most effectively (vs LC) if MIL knows we just aren't going there at all...right..?


I hightlighted these points because I think they are important. One is that you both are OK with NC already with both SIL and the brother.

The decision to be NC or LC is about your own emotional peace- while neither is completely easy- it's about the one that works best for you. You feel that NC is the better choice for that.

NC and LC doesn't change how someone thinks. Your SIL can still have distorted thoughts and say what she says. Considering that neither NC or LC affects the other person's thinking- but NC is the choice that works better for you- than NC is the best one for you.

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 on: September 08, 2025, 03:48:42 AM  
Started by brokened - Last post by brokened
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half hr i been looking at this blank page deciding what subject and then how long staring at that but not for having nothing to say just having to ground myself in preperation for the sadness, confusions, hurtful blame, rumenating questions that have no answers and hope that has no soil.

                                                          This is something I wrote — a poem called Discarded . It says more than I can type out fresh right now, so I’m sharing it here as an image.

She went straight to no contact other than she said she went through my phone i said so she sent me message shots  i told her exactly what and why and she said im a manipulator and i didnt know what to say i told the truth i cant elaborate more than the truth and what lie?
i will tell lies in the sense of when asked do i know how fast i was riding i will say no everytime but to her nahh i didnt and i wasnt about to start and while im stunned by the accusation coz it was fierce and i knew she believed i was talking PLEASE READ so i froze and took every hit and each word stung like salt on the wound of despair and she is was my only person and i have dbt knowledge and radically accepted shes gone i can say it with belief and conviction mentally but every time i need my person it hurts the loss is so tangible and overwhelming as it just compounds and i am a v ery hard to get attached to person,since changing countries at 14 to live with a parent i never met and never been to country or know anyone there i was in work by 15 in construction and nothing stuck with me through life my father and that country taught me not to trust and ahow to store anger but also how to live alone when told you belong.
we met round 25yrs ago and both had partners and all the way our partners changed but a few years ago we were together and both single and had a night of unbridled passion that involved  heavy rain thunder lightning and a rooftop. just paused and had to pull back can still feel my lips turmned down on ends and temple is tight and furrowed as i type but releasing so next few months later i need to change rentals and she has mortgage and i say nahh not moving in with you and meant it and she understood it was to keep and protect what we had until maybe later we can do that safely a month later a traumatic moment left me stuck in flight mode i ended up on certraline and valium and as i would put it back then;" im not firing right" i had to be out in weeks had lived there 10years hadnt found a place just not processing anything everything was overload too hard i wasv stuttering first time in life in my late forties and fkn legs would not stop bouncing when i was sat down and that was affecting anyone in the room visibly which was an overwhelm of itself months of this till psychiatrist diagnosed anxiety mood dysregulation and ptsd takes me off the zoloft puts me on fluvoxamine bit higher mg and a stronger benzo for night and i got better no stutter and legs stop now is hypervigilance but i can and do deal with them issues by solidarity and thats now so back to 2023 and i accept moving in with her on grounds its not permanent soon as get back to work i find another place.
not to take anything away from or disrespect any other relationships i had been in all 3 of them though long tern i was happy like i thought i knew what happy was i remember plenty of times i said im happy but being so close to her and her energy and beauty and way she looked at me i dropped all my defences i let her lead  & committed to wanting her to finally be treated right and never lie to her which is kinda easy when its your person for decades she knows all i am that is hidden she knows mey ex partners she knows about the fighting and the jail and the detention centre kids all of it, never to intentionally let her down never to raise my voice or do anything that even resembles dominance or dv or any violance physical mental or emotional and for months it was like it was meant to be and she was looking after me with the mental impact of the trauma and problems i was having i knew about her of course i had been her person to, well onre of then i spose in her case anyway remember the part i said about dropping all my defenses well i wasnt seeing what was going on around us and i am usually very aware of that and my hypervigilance was honing in on fear of possible threats immediately firing right im honed in on seeing them manifesting in changes around me by being aware of changes in patterns and behaviours and i got good reads on body language and eyes tone of voice  rarely caufght unprepared but since the meds and  not viewing through discerning lens i trusted her so just watched her so if her family members or friends made her relaxed and happy i would be relaxed and accepting. dumb.
missed the jealousy from all of them and missed my own adult kids jealousy Aalso and how they were not happy i had moved citys and after a few questions about me made it clear to them that she wouldnt engage and shut PLEASE READ down they stasrted plotting, i missed it.
anyway thats prelude i loved her, would never have left her or betrayed her and i am a man that can say that and know it and so did she until things i should of seen.
i noticed she would say was this you and i would say nahhh but she wouldnt ask who else and i aint giving them up depite knowing full well coz i can tell they in serious PLEASE READ  some of them things and sometimes she tear into me and the guilty right there letting me saying nothing and when i feel im getting thin i know if i turn on them she be upset i cant get angry with her i cant so ive had enough its going no where i walk away.

assessed safest move is leave quietly.

more of that

i knew about splitting i had never experienced it i did not realise i was feeding that part of her defence mecghanisms and one day i realised she was getting upset for something she had wrong and when saying because this full on gaslit me and confused the hell out of me coz i can see how real her distiorted version is to her and i cant shut it down like i would any other person alive and the stuttering kicks off and she starts mimicking me and i can hear myself stuttering and feel the emotion behind it just wanting to calm her down i know to give her space not do anything for her feel threatened and the way she done it bang i triggered and i was so hurt and embarressed and ashamed of myself all of it i am not proud of punching myself in the mouth and face in rage and for the critics no it was not a cry for attention i bled and swelled before her sorrys became un muffled and all i remember through the fuzziness is the tears in her eyes and the knowledge i had scared her and failed myself and if you were a fly on the wall you just saw my entire body fold inward and lose composure i know from exoperiance its stored memory as i now return from mindfulness exersizes.

sorry for any negativity or distress that may have caused anyone i just want to be clear i am not claiming poor me.
i am not perfect, i am flawed i am sorry i let her down. i am menta;lly accepting but not mending.
i know she is better off without me. i want her to be happy, i still love her i always have loved her i can love a woman and never experiance her flesh. i want to be able to cherish the time we had together and the memory of her smiling at me and not have to feel the pain of questions that could be answered but im told wont be and questions i know are emotional traps that any answer is going to feed the depressive thoughts that give them space in the first place.

dumb ones like eg does she ever miss me. tell me how a yes is any less painful than a no?

i could handle her with another wing around her  if it meant having my person back i would be protective but not jealous i watched her with other paertbners long time and im going to stop becayse im breaking wand this is where she is missed the most not in bed and i am so sorry to you if i have stirred any memories of monsters in your own past or present please know i do not support or condone violance and i am suffering while shes jumping out of planes and living the life she deserves thankfully.i only know through hearing things and i wish i didnt hear her mentioned as it hurts too much, i cant even go into photo gallery because i see us and dont have capacity to remove them or strength to embrace them.

umm please ask me anything it will be more helpful and easieer than what im doing now and i hope i have not made bpd sound like im being blameful or spiteful as im not i dont talk much and when i do it aint about feelings i guard to protect myself from the judgement and labels of the world that doesnt feel whats felt anymore.

i will be honest if asked something that doesnt expose me anymore than that above.

hope your well enough


it was hard to go where i did in post, thank you for pushing through it and replying with no judgement and yeah psychologist & psychiatrist were already regular for my recovery from a trauma thats had me medicated since that happened, that was  months after we started sleeping in same bed each night.
 till then i was anle to process and respond to her and take nothing to heart and not knowing if i might of had more time with her if not for that massive shift in my mentality is hard
 i  would of been me still,
i would of had capacity to find another place to live
 i would not of allowed myself to give another so much of my all
 learned in early teens  people are only able to burn you with as much as they are given & feel responsible for the hurt by trusting another with my vulnerabilities.
 i gave her enough to make me question my own worth
 i gave her my best and if my best isnt good enough  for the person id do anything for then what measure is my best?
what good am i now to another partner broken doubting my best is good enough
 if the one person that knows me inside out, my  morals and ethics,  nature and beliefs says im manipulative and play games with so much conviction i have no chance of anyone taking time to see whats behind the mask..

if not for wrong meds would i have reacted so poorly? should be  who cares!
what if she knows im a not stuttering and bit more me?should be some friend she turned out to be!
 even with awareness no one can rewrite a path walked with what ifs,  and knowing if she cared i wouldnt struglle with wondering i would know,  my damn emotions are still hers more than mine and its embarresing but less so now from reading on this forum.

still i hurt for her and it does come from a place of genuine care, not selfishness or dependance
and that just makes it worse really

writing on here opened a flood gate and i apologise for the mess i posted.

no contact Telhill, thankfully after reading here, wish i knew about this forum earlier as i see is a common thing....i would be dishonest if i didnt say i feel rejected even more because of it seeing as so many others had some back n forth first i feel lesser and have to be kind to myself to minimise that hurt and self judgement as impossible to completely remove it still.
 
only 1 person really sees her and i make sure not to cross paths that way and im  sure the kids are still friends on the facebook and things but anyone can go and be nosey on the internet if so inclined.

thank you for your prayers pooko they carry weight and are heard if not always answered

again thank you for advice and for your time to engage

 84 
 on: September 08, 2025, 02:18:38 AM  
Started by Supersaddaughter - Last post by mhughes
My 78-year-old uBPD mother cut off contact with me a few months ago. I won't go into the details why since it didn't make any sense (when does it ever??), but I told her that I will respect her decision and not contact her.  I just found out yesterday that she told family that she's expecting me for Christmas at her house.  When they told her I have made other plans, she was furious.  I know her reaction is irrational and disrespectful of how she's treated me, but I still feel guilty and ashamed that I've "let her down" in the eyes of family members.  I never speak ill of my mother, so family only hear her side of the story.  I try to take the high road, but it's pretty lonely up here.

 85 
 on: September 07, 2025, 11:57:05 PM  
Started by Versant - Last post by Pook075
One more tidbit to consider.

When I separated from my BPD ex-wife, I did a lot of things wrong.  But one thing I stood firm on what that we had to put our kids first in all situations and I could care less if we were divorcing; we were always mom and dad.

My ex left me for another man, and bad-mouthed me to anyone who would listen, and turned my kids against me for a period of time.  I have every reason to hate her, to return her venom with venom, but that's not the route I chose.  I was patient, kind, and continued to insist that we had to have a good relationship because the kids would always come first.

So my ex-wife and I are on very good terms today, I can talk to her about anything.  Truthfully, I don't like her as a person anymore and I'd rather not talk to her at all...but I don't have that choice because I'm a dad and she's a mom.  The kids should always come first and I always kept that in perspective.

Regardless of how you proceed, I beg you to keep that in mind.  Things will probably get ugly at times and they'll be unfair.  But remember who you are and who you want to be in the future.  Don't take the "scorched earth" route unless there's no other option.

We divorced without attorneys in a "no fault" proceeding.  I could have gone the adultery route and sought damages, etc...but why?  Was the goal to get a little more stuff, or to do what's best for the kids?  It's the one thing I did absolutely right through all of this, i made peace with my ex and treated her like a person.

 86 
 on: September 07, 2025, 11:46:35 PM  
Started by Chiantishire - Last post by Pook075
Hello and welcome to the family!  I'm a former business owner with a BPD daughter, so I can relate and likely others can as well.  It's not as much about the business as it is your daughter's tendencies in life.

First off, great business model!  Pets come, you feed them and play with them, then the pets go home.  It's a great low-stress environment and they're probably plenty of exercise walking the dogs, etc.

The problem I have is that "when your daughter is not feeling well", you pick up the slack.  That's not how the real world works; we work regardless of how we feel.  And I wonder if your compassion for your kid is enabling her to claim the job is too much at times.  That's not a business problem at all; that's a very common BPD problem where we walk on eggshells to avoid conflict.

My advice is to double-down and push your child to take more responsibility.  It's medically proven that exercise is beneficial for our mental health- we get moving and it helps the mind regulate.  On the other hand, when we sit still for too long our mind suffers. 

So again, you picked a great business model that's mentally healthy for everyone.

Is there certain parts of the job she struggles with?  Does she have assigned hours and responsibilities?  Have you made it known that it's "her business" and you're there to support....or is it more of a family business without defined roles? 

As you said, you're retired.  So be retired and work like a retiree (sparingly, when you want to).

 87 
 on: September 07, 2025, 10:33:44 PM  
Started by Versant - Last post by PeteWitsend
...

My question is this. How much can I do to prevent this? Preferably I'd like to convince (or force) my wife not to even try, but at the very least I'd like to minimize the harm she can cause.

Any good advice, any good materials to go look at?

Don't let her threats dictate your course of action.  Don't avoid separation (if that's what you want) out of fear of what she may do. 

Do plan for it though. 

I was also concerned with this, and although I think I weathered the "storm" of the first few years post divorce & things seemed to have calmed down, my daughter still tells me (it's now been 7 years since we separated) that BPDxw and her BF bad mouth me all the time.  Whatever.  She seems to see through this and while she told me she doesn't like it, we sometimes joke about it.  Like she told me I make the best burgers she's ever had.  I said "don't tell your mom that" and she laughed and said she was going to now, just to see what crazy thing her mom would say in response. 

Anyways... here is my advice:

1) get your child(ren) a therapist & have this written out as part of the divorce settlement.  Specify the therapist.  Don't allow your ex to jump from therapist to therapist in order to sabotage the process. 
1a) changing therapists requires joint consent.
1b) if the therapist retires or otherwise can't see your kid(s) anymore, they should designate a competent successor.

2) don't "fight fire with fire."  Kids don't like to hear their parents bad mouthed, even if they know that parent is wrong or has issues.  If you hear or they tell you your ex is saying things, be very judicious in what you respond to.  If there's an obvious falsehood, feel free to refute it, but also ask your kids why they think that, or what they think, or if they agree.  Give them space to think and don't argue with them.  I'll share some examples:
- BPDxw HATED, and I mean HATED my mom.  After we got divorced, my daughter asked me if her grandma "is a witch."  This made me angry b/c I knew where it was coming from, but I simply asked my daughter why she was asking the question, and asked her what she thought.  She said she didn't think her grandma was a witch, but her mom kept saying that.  I just told her that her mom didn't get along with grandma, but her grandma loved her (my daughter) very much, and she could disagree with her mom's opinions.  She nodded and never asked me about it again.

- BPDxw kept telling my daughter that I left because "I didn't want to be a father anymore or her dad."  This was one I took issue with... I told her in no uncertain terms was that not true, and I only left because of her mom, and if I didn't want to be her dad anymore, I wouldn't have stayed close by and saw her every week.  She looked worried and said "I don't know who to believe now."  I said she didn't need to believe  anyone, she should form her own opinions. 

3) Be yourself.  Don't worry so much about all this; make sure to have fun and enjoy your time with your kids, and don't pressure them for information about your ex, or get into deeper discussions about this, unless they're asking questions that you feel you need to answer. 

Remember, you're building trust with them over time, and this will go a long way to defeating any attempts by your ex to upend things.

4) This is probably an issue for another thread, but if you do separate, consider what rights you're willing to give up, and what you should push for.  If you're wife is going to "weaponize" the kids against you, it's harder to do if you're the primary parent, or if you have joint decision making over schools or residence or things like that.  The more rights the BPD-parent has, the more "levers" they have to pull to cause problems. 

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 on: September 07, 2025, 10:22:51 PM  
Started by Darsha500 - Last post by Me88
Back during my two year divorce - it was that long due to the custody struggle - our Custody Evaluator's initial report included in the summary mention of Bullet: important point (click to insert in post) object constancy.  I was like, what is that?  It is something we relatively normal people consider obvious, that when we're separated from a close person we would miss them.  Often when BPD traits are the topic, those afflicted can behave as though "out of sight, out of mind".  That can explain why they can be so quick to jump relationships, to move on to another lover.  And in some cases if we're not alert to what's happening - and if we're not permanently painted black - they can boomerang right back to us as though it was no big deal.

One illustration I recall is the explanation one pwBPD gave is that she kept a used shirt near her pillow so she could remember him.  So if she didn't have that reminder then she didn't remember him?  Apparently it was that extreme.

Lol my ex used to sniff me all day every day. Told me to not wash t shirts, so she too could wear them... Because my scent calmed her. She even took some of my clothes when she moved out. How are these people all the same. I still cannot make sense of it.

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 on: September 07, 2025, 07:42:43 PM  
Started by sweetlyblessed - Last post by sweetlyblessed

You can also choose to not respond and remain NC. It doesn't stop the narrative on SIL's part. My choice for LC was due to several issues, one of them was that I wanted to remain in contact with my father. They were a pair. NC with her would mean NC with him. I couldn't control my BPD mother's behavior.

About power- personally, I think going NC or reacting emotionally gives her the power. Her power over you is if she can get you to react- either way- by reacting to her behavior with anger or by disappearing. One way to not give her power is by not allowing her to get any reaction from you, by showing up calm and collected. There were times I did get angry at my mother and say something mean back. It seemed she got some satisfaction about that- that she was able to get a reaction from me. I also felt badly about it, because when I do this I am not acting within my own standards. I felt she got her way at the expense of my own ethics. There were times she decided to cut me off but I didn't need to do what she did.


Thank you. NC vs LC is such a strange debate to me. At the moment, and for the past decade or so, we are okay with losing connection with his brother and their nuclear family. Of course we would prefer not to, but he has been difficult to be around for several years before SIL entered the picture, although no anger or problem had been aimed at us personally prior to her.

I believe she would still have power in my head going LC, as I know she would cry to my MIL, who would approach me, about things that didn't happen or things I sort of said but didn't really say, etc. Although I could possibly behave as if I had no emotion, I struggle to feel unrattled with her bizarre warping of reality, and it feels terrible to be questioned by my MIL who never doubted anything about me until now. I do appreciate that NC will allow her to cry to her still, but it seems like this will still prevent SIL from being able to smear reality around the most effectively (vs LC) if MIL knows we just aren't going there at all...right..?

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 on: September 07, 2025, 07:08:02 PM  
Started by pipistrelle1987 - Last post by TelHill
I’m sorry, Methuen. I know that must hurt deeply. She’s using you (and lying about you)  to get positive attention from others. She can’t tolerate the spotlight of goodness and truth shining on you.

Could you call the staff to ask them how she’s doing? You can tell them you’re sick and have to recuperate at home. I believe the staff already knows you’re a good daughter and she’s manipulative by this point.  You can’t hide it from people who see you 24/7. At least you’ll know how your mom is doing. If there’s any staff who believes your mom, they’ll see it’s not true.

My mom would split me black if the person she spoke to was complimentary to their child’s action or behavior. If the person was complaining, she’d let the person know I was attentive and a top notch daughter.  It was strange to have her twist reality to get attention from a pleased mother and one-up a sad mother with my real behavior. Even stranger, she’d do this in front of me. I felt deflated and invisible.

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