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 81 
 on: June 21, 2026, 06:39:32 PM  
Started by round_square - Last post by ForeverDad
How did I know I was nearing the end?  I've often mentioned my marriage imploded but it was on that path, increasingly so, ever since we had a child.  It was like watching a slow motion train crash, one I couldn't stop but had to watch unfold to the end.

The first years of my marriage were wonderful but increasingly my spouse was having incidents with her friends and co-workers.  We were religious volunteers but with her full agreement we left and moved elsewhere.  She didn't leave her issues behind.  Even decade into our marriage, she still was dissatisfied.  I thought if we had a child she would find joy in a new life.  Instead she pulled away.  I look back and believe becoming a father changed her view of me and she no longer perceived me as just a husband.  (Her stepfather was her childhood nemesis.)

The increased disparagement, belittlement and threats were devastating.  In those final months I foresaw a disaster looming but I couldn't reach her.  She refused counseling.  Then one day I called the police.  With legal consequences pending, we separated.  She blamed me for it, at the court she wouldn't even look at me and when I prompted her lawyer to ask her if she was willing to reconcile, she refused.  That's when I finally Accepted our marriage was over.

Since we had a preschooler, custody and parenting issues took years to resolve.

In some ways it was a relief to have separate homes as a buffer between us but in other ways I never quite recovered from those final years of mostly verbal abuse.  There was only one path left.  It wasn't my preferred choice but it was the reality I faced and never looked back.

 82 
 on: June 21, 2026, 06:37:33 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
I have another question.  How do you prepare yourself for the next drama? Or do you?  I've tended to believe that when life has been calm (from what I am aware of) that all will be ok now. I see now that was wishful thinking. Because a meltdown comes - for example the rash that spread from his hands to most of his body.  Or meltdown over work related issues... Or relationship issues...
I don't want to live waiting for the next shoe to drop. Maybe it's just knowing it will happen at some point and being prepared to respond in a healthy way?  How were able to go from being be upset by the newest drama or meltdown to possibly protecting your heart so as not be so affected?  Is it possible to hope for that? I understand as Mom I'll always have feelings - I guess I'm wondering is it possible to have a level of detachment?  
I've been reading responses to other members questions and many are a big help to me.

 83 
 on: June 21, 2026, 06:37:20 PM  
Started by round_square - Last post by round_square
I am ready to look at myself honestly. I am ready to accept my responsibility. If there is something I am missing, o truly believe it is because I cannot see it, not because I am not willing to.

My spouse is quite BPD. We have been together 15 years 3 kids.
Quiet BPD is so different for classic BPD based on the experiences I have read. That is not to say that issues were not obvious early on, just that the issues I thought I was accepting were not the ones I was actually accepting. So much is hidden with quiet BPD, but I find myself questioning how different. My level of shock about things that have been revealed in my relationship, and how sick my spouse really is, seems to be so different from everything I read. This makes it very difficult to find support or understand my experience. I am trying to make a decision about divorce, or at the very least understand how I feel and if I can move forward.

I recently read the following on this website:

“ BPD is a real mental illness and a person with this disorder will have a history of failed relationships.   However, an emotionally mature and grounded person does not get into such relationships and even if they accidentally fell into one, they would reassess their decision process and values, make changes - not get caught up in extended makeup/breakup cycles and come back time and time again.”


This is not my experience. Never have my wife an I broken up or even been close to breaking up. I believe neither of us have considered it, but quiet BPD so who knows. I don’t think she had any failed relationships, just a few standards one with standard breakups, no drama. I thought she was stable, smart, and had her life together more than I did. It actually always appeared like that to our friends and family. Is the advice for quite BPD partners the same as above or different? I feel like I knew there were problems, so I want to be honest with myself, but we just never had drama like what is suggested in the advice above. Maybe I just need to rearrange it to fit my situation? Maybe a mature person would not have put up with some of the things I did (it doesn’t have to be drama).

I guess what I’m asking is quiet BPD a different beast all together? For me and for my wife?

 84 
 on: June 21, 2026, 04:20:12 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by Ozzie101
My guess here is that your husband is plagued by insecurity and fears harsh judgment by your family.  My other guess is that he's jealous of you.  Look, when it comes to visiting with families, it's natural that family members will show interest in you and reminisce.  A pwBPD often feels excluded when attention is on you and not on him.  The mere act of you engaging in a conversation with a family member feels like "abandonment," because (i) your attention is temporarily diverted away from your husband, (ii) you are "stealing" attention and (iii) you're having a good time, "excluding" him.  Any of these issues could be triggering.  Does your husband seem to lose interest in chit-chat, drift away from conversations and then accuse you of "excluding" him?  Does he think your family is "mean" to him and "ignores" him at family gatherings?  It might be because he's misreading your happy family updates as irritating and demeaning to him.

Another phenomenon happens in family gatherings with the pwBPD in my life.  She's extremely insecure and generally unhappy, so she's totally disarmed by typical, well-meaning questions such as, "How are you?" and "How's work/school going?"  You see, a question like "How are you?" ends up reminding her of her unhappiness, in addition to pressuring her to act "fake nice."  A question like "How's work?" feels like prying and harsh judgment, because she's insecure about being unemployed or underemployed.  I can practically see her fall apart inside as she deals with her negative emotions and can't come up with natural responses to simple questions like these.  And you know what?  She's also socially awkward, as she hasn't seemed to learn to ask anyone else any questions.  She shows ZERO curiosity about other people's lives, and conversations with her just seem to peter out quickly.  She'll answer questions with one-word answers but neglects to pass the conversation ball back.

I'd say, don't rule out that your husband could be straight-up jealous of you.  Maybe when you're with family, you seem to glow and exude happiness.  You seem to light up the room with conversation.  Your husband might think, why is she not like that with me?  And his negative thinking will take over.  When visiting with family, you might try to make sure to talk with everyone and catch up, especially if you haven't seen them for a time.  When you do that, your husband could take it to mean that you're neglecting him.  That puts him in a bad mood, and he might withdraw from the conversations, which only magnifies the feeling.  Does that make any sense in your situation?

Just my two cents.

You really hit the nail on the head. While he doesn't say they're mean, he does complain about being ignored. People will say hi, ask him general questions about SS or about trips we have planned. Sometimes he's drawn more into the discussions, but sometimes that's it. He complains about that. He also complains how they talk about people or events he's not familiar with. He always tells me that his parents taught him you never talk about people or events that aren't familiar to other people in the conversation. (Ignoring the fact that he and his mother and his friends do that around me all the time, though I don't particularly mind it. I just listen and ask questions.) I fill him in on things, but he still complains about it. I think it's natural for people who've known each other for a long time. You just bring the new people in on the stories.

He probably is jealous of how happy I can seem around them. He's jealous that I seem to have good relationships with my nephew and nieces, but don't have much connection to SS15. Anyway, I've tried to draw him in to conversations, but it's like trying to push molasses up the hill.

But I think he's also jealous because of what I have. He's shared before that he's always wanted to be part of a loving family. It's not something he's ever had. I'm one of five kids, we're all very close to our parents and (to varying degrees) to each other. I grew up in a town with all four of my grandparents and we saw them multiple times a week. He's expressed feeling inadequate because I know all these old family stories and I know all my grandparents' birthdays. Well, I know because I grew up celebrating them. He loves crime shows and mysteries like I do, but he's also always been drawn to shows about big, loving families. I think he really, really wants to be a part of mine. But he doesn't know how.

 85 
 on: June 21, 2026, 04:00:23 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by CC43
In his case, it really seems to be more social anxiety -- particularly when it comes to my family. He's shy in most social settings, but has a good time with friends and is able to be charming with coworkers and clients. With my family, it's like he shuts down.

My guess here is that your husband is plagued by insecurity and fears harsh judgment by your family.  My other guess is that he's jealous of you.  Look, when it comes to visiting with families, it's natural that family members will show interest in you and reminisce.  A pwBPD often feels excluded when attention is on you and not on him.  The mere act of you engaging in a conversation with a family member feels like "abandonment," because (i) your attention is temporarily diverted away from your husband, (ii) you are "stealing" attention and (iii) you're having a good time, "excluding" him.  Any of these issues could be triggering.  Does your husband seem to lose interest in chit-chat, drift away from conversations and then accuse you of "excluding" him?  Does he think your family is "mean" to him and "ignores" him at family gatherings?  It might be because he's misreading your happy family updates as irritating and demeaning to him.

Another phenomenon happens in family gatherings with the pwBPD in my life.  She's extremely insecure and generally unhappy, so she's totally disarmed by typical, well-meaning questions such as, "How are you?" and "How's work/school going?"  You see, a question like "How are you?" ends up reminding her of her unhappiness, in addition to pressuring her to act "fake nice."  A question like "How's work?" feels like prying and harsh judgment, because she's insecure about being unemployed or underemployed.  I can practically see her fall apart inside as she deals with her negative emotions and can't come up with natural responses to simple questions like these.  And you know what?  She's also socially awkward, as she hasn't seemed to learn to ask anyone else any questions.  She shows ZERO curiosity about other people's lives, and conversations with her just seem to peter out quickly.  She'll answer questions with one-word answers but neglects to pass the conversation ball back.

I'd say, don't rule out that your husband could be straight-up jealous of you.  Maybe when you're with family, you seem to glow and exude happiness.  You seem to light up the room with conversation.  Your husband might think, why is she not like that with me?  And his negative thinking will take over.  When visiting with family, you might try to make sure to talk with everyone and catch up, especially if you haven't seen them for a time.  When you do that, your husband could take it to mean that you're neglecting him.  That puts him in a bad mood, and he might withdraw from the conversations, which only magnifies the feeling.  Does that make any sense in your situation?

Just my two cents.

 86 
 on: June 21, 2026, 03:57:24 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by Notwendy
I agree. I'd stay quiet about it. No sense in making it even more awkward by saying something when it's not necessary and could even make things worse. I did note that my father's family didn't say anything about my mother when he was alive. I don't even know how much they knew, other than they felt that relationship was strained.

I think your H's anxiety is probably due to this being a higher stake relationship for him. BPD affects the closest relationships the most, and family is closer than friends/aquaintances. He wants them to like him and he knows they are important to you, making it more high stakes. I would just keep inviting him to come with you to visits. Maybe he will get more used to them being closer in time.


 87 
 on: June 21, 2026, 03:10:12 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by Ozzie101

I wonder if your family senses something is "off" with your H, and he senses they do and so avoids them? Have they said anything about him to you? I don't know if it's a good idea to discuss this with them. It would not have gone well in my family and if BPD mother found out, it would have been a crisis, so I wouldn't in my situation.



I really don't know if they sense anything or not. Most of them are also very shy, introverted people (H often refuses to believe that, but he's seeing them when they're in their "comfort zone"), so they understand shyness and awkwardness. They do know that he and I have had problems in the past. But other than telling them things had gotten much better several years ago, we haven't discussed it.

They haven't said anything to me and, really, I'm hesitant to ask. Honestly, I'd rather not know. If they did have a problem with him, my situation would feel even more awkward. I probably wouldn't want to take him to things and if I were to tell him I didn't want him to come, that would just create so much more drama. As it is, they speak to him when he's there, ask about him when he's not, and while it's not close, it's at least polite. If I were to ask him, their answer to me would probably be a perplexed, "We don't even really know him. Why would we have strong feelings about him?"

He's got it set in his head that my family wishes I were with someone else. Given his reactions to things and the things he says, I really feel like it's rooted in insecurity - some of it because he desperately wants my family's approval (while also finding fault in everything they do) and some of it because of his own family history.

 88 
 on: June 21, 2026, 02:15:41 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by Notwendy
That makes sense. With my BPD mother, the issues were with people she felt would be a perceived threat to her. One of her fears were that people would talk about her to my Dad- that they were "on" to her, even if they wouldn't do that. She was most comfortable with people who only saw her social persona.

I was too young to know what my father's family thought and also they didn't speak about my mother. However, after my father passed away, a relative did answer some questions I had. I learned that they were "on to" BPD mother from the get go. They could tell something was "off" about her. They did stay quiet about it, which was good. She didn't like them.

I assumed her family knew more about her but her sibling is much younger and so wouldn't know that. The impression her remaining family thought was that my parents were snobbing them, rather than know that BPD mother was disregulated.

So, extended family may sense something is off but not really know, and then make wrong assumptions, like your H is making wrong assumptions about them. A danger is that, if BPD mother found out she was being talked about, if anyone seemed aware of her issues, they were split "black" and she'd have nothing to do with them.

I wonder if your family senses something is "off" with your H, and he senses they do and so avoids them? Have they said anything about him to you? I don't know if it's a good idea to discuss this with them. It would not have gone well in my family and if BPD mother found out, it would have been a crisis, so I wouldn't in my situation.


 89 
 on: June 21, 2026, 01:49:03 PM  
Started by Ozzie101 - Last post by Ozzie101
This may be just a wild guess (and we here can't know for sure) but do you think your H may be on the spectrum? High functioning people on the spectrum can be shy and introverted, and have anxiety in social situations. Some of the behaviors are similar to BPD- people in the spectrum can have anxiety, "mask" in social situations, and have a need for routine, similar to OCD, and focused interests. They can also have anger outbursts when feeling overwhelmed. If he's been diagnosed as BPD I could be way off with this, but reading your posts about him having discomfort and sensory overload with your large family and the statement he "had enough people time"- I wondered.

While BPD mother didn't like my father's family, her social persona was charming and socially savvy. She could be manipulative and also lie to get her needs met, something not usual to someone on the spectrum. Still, she would often back out of social situations at times, and then at other times, seem to want to socialize.

I suppose it's possible to have some of both BPD and ASD- ASD isn't a PD but people are complicated. The reason I brought up the idea is your H's anxiety about being around your family and him being introverted and shy. For ASD, it's more about social difficulty than BPD thinking.

That's a really interesting suggestion. I kind of doubt it, because social anxiety is the only symptom he seems to have. Honestly, I have more ASD symptoms than he has, as I can be big on routine and get hyper-focused on interests. He's most definitely not either of those.

In his case, it really seems to be more social anxiety -- particularly when it comes to my family. He's shy in most social settings, but has a good time with friends and is able to be charming with coworkers and clients. With my family, it's like he shuts down.

 90 
 on: June 21, 2026, 01:21:49 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
Thank you CC43 and NotWendy,
Both of your replies have been good for me.  I will be rereading them. I know my thinking is off in in the area concerning my oldest son. Yes, there has been many years of reckless and dangerous choices that color my thinking  now. The truth is, the older he has gotten, the more responsible and less reckless he's become. I don't comment to him about my fears, or bring up his bills, or eating or sleeping.  He's sensitive and can probably pick up on my concern though. I do let him know how proud I am of him for what he's accomplished. I'm glad you shared about the sleeping and eating CC. My guess is you didn't bring them up to others looking for sympathy. 
What I've shared with you all is my internal work and perception that I'm working on being more healthy.  I value healthy perspectives. 

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