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 on: October 15, 2026, 04:46:40 AM  
Started by wolfie123 - Last post by Under The Bridge
she would show up and see what I was up to occasionally without interacting with me directly (at the same social events, etc) before she finally disappeared from my life forever, but it was obvious she wanted me to chase after her so she could ruthlessly discard me again and fortunately I didn’t take the bait.

Know exactly what you mean. My ex would break up with me then start coming back into the pub where we used to go. She wouldn't speak but she was letting me know she was still there and l would end up chasing her, ignoring the red flags.

Probably knowing I'd chase her only made her worse and she'd break up again and again. No idea what she was doing when not seeing me - she might have been seeing others then only coming back to me when the new thing fizzled out. With BPD's it's always a case of 'out of sight out of mind' and it's like you never existed.

She eventually threw such a horrific tantrum where she was so detached from reality that I realised I didn't know her..and didn't want to know her any more, so when she broke up with me I didn't chase. I heard later that she'd come into the pub looking for me but this time I wasn't there.  If she'd been genuine about getting back together she could have contacted me in any number of ways so it was obvious she wasn't really bothered.

You'll never get any closure with a partner who can't appreciate your feelings and can discard you in a second - in their mind they've never done anything wrong.

 82 
 on: October 14, 2026, 08:33:43 PM  
Started by mikejones75093 - Last post by CC43
I'm just trying to figure out how to end it.  She yells and screams, the kids are afraid of asking for certain things because they know she will get mad, she talks very bad about me to them including the case, tells the kids I'm trying to put her in jail and that I'm dangerous.  Mine is a professional that looks good and speaks amazing.  Her vocabulary is insane, you can't argue with her.  She's not a run down drunk or druggie, its just the extreme false allegations.  She calls cps on me, calls welfare checks on me.  I'm highly investigated and they all know nothing is wrong. 

Indeed, my ex BIL is similar.  When he wants to, he can look good, speak convincingly and exude charisma, just like a lawyer.  You can't argue with him, and he can do no wrong, because he finds a million loopholes aka excuses and always blames someone else.  He makes false allegations, which is classic BPD/NPD.  In fact, most of his allegations are pure projection of his own issues onto his ex.  For example, he alleges that his then-wife assaulted him, when reality is the complete opposite.  It's just that she had photographs of bruises and a trip to the doctor to prove it, and he had nothing but his 260 pounds, double her size.

By the way, disparagement of a parent in front of children is frowned upon by the courts, because that is deemed to interfere with the parent-child relationship.  I'm pretty sure I included "scaring the children" in my list of potentially abusive tactics, and in my opinion that would include threats of locking up either parent in prison.

I'm not sure what else to advise but to document, document, document any evidence of your ex potentially abusing your children.  One incident that was a turning point in my family was when my niece approached a school counselor to express her fears about riding in the car with her dad (because she feared he was driving drunk and/or in a precarious, medically impaired state), and about the conditions in her dad's home (vermin, lack of food).  On top of that, she revealed that he was cruel to her, calling her a slut and "hor."  She was eleven, afraid to utter the word and too young to spell it correctly.  Now, most children don't want to get their parent in trouble, and they might fear retribution.  But she took the risk, because she was frightened/traumatized and couldn't stand living with him anymore.  Since the school counselor is a mandated reporter, a CPS investigation was launched.

As the kid(s) get older, they may be able to vote with their feet.

I'm really sorry you and your kid(s) have to deal with this.

 83 
 on: October 14, 2026, 06:51:56 PM  
Started by mikejones75093 - Last post by mikejones75093
Hi there,

A custody battle is generally a nightmare, but with BPD/NPD, it's an order of magnitude worse.

I think I'd advise that since you're dealing with a custody case here, the well-being of the children comes first.  Let's do a thought experiment.  Let's say you order a psych eval, and it comes back that your ex has BPD.  I'd ask, so what?  Parents can have all sorts of issues--physical, mental, financial, etc.--but nevertheless they're still able to parent.  So I think that what it comes down to is whether your ex is abusive, negligent or otherwise not capable of caring for your kid(s) properly.  My point is, it's not so much the diagnosis of BPD that's important; it's the behaviors that adversely impact the kid(s) that matter.  Things like screaming at the kid(s), insulting them, humiliating them, hitting them, scaring them, threatening them, punishing them excessively, blaming them, and making them over-function for their mom, becoming HER emotional caretaker and HER servants instead of the other way around, the way it's supposed to be.  You need to document a pattern of abuse in my opinion.

I have an ex BIL who is undiagnosed NPD and has a highly dysfunctional life, and who was also extremely combative in court, being an ex lawyer himself.  It took the courts a long time to "see through" his ploys--but once they did, they came down hard on him.  Basically they found him in contempt of court, and his parenting time was severely restricted, requiring supervision by another adult all times.

How did the court get there?  Well, CPS was involved, twice, and a GAL was appointed.  The GAL's investigations took several months.  And though a Cluster B can seem to "pull themselves together" for a short time, I think they don't have the stamina or consistency to "fake" it for very long.  Their self-destructive tendencies eventually shine through.  For my BIL, that included heavy drinking (and failing multiple breathalyzer tests), several missed appointments and court dates, the inability to produce requested documents, non-compliance with child support and general non-cooperation with court orders.  On top of that, in the intervening months he had run-ins with police and a few medical events, one requiring a long hospitalization.  In addition, he had a long track record of skipping visitation and neglecting to call his children when he had agreed to do it.  Together with the GAL report and recommendations, the courts saw through his BS and came up with a reasonable custody arrangement.  It was one of the very, very rare cases that wasn't settled and actually went to trial, because my ex BIL was so stubborn and refused to cooperate or negotiate.
 
But central to all that was demonstrating, not that my ex BIL was mentally ill, but that his parenting was inadequate for the children.  In his case, things like spotty driving/accidents, reports of not feeding the children, not attending to normal parenting duties (e.g. PTA meetings, doctors appointments, dental visits, kids' activities, etc.), parentification, allowing the kids to see porn/inappropriate movies, abusive language/insults and an unclean home were important in building the "case" of not being fit to parent on his own.  His inability to care for his own health issues (untreated diabetes, kidney failure, gout, alcoholism) also played a part.

Hope that perspective helps a little.

I'm just trying to figure out how to end it.  She yells and screams, the kids are afraid of asking for certain things because they know she will get mad, she talks very bad about me to them including the case, tells the kids I'm trying to put her in jail and that I'm dangerous.  Mine is a professional that looks good and speaks amazing.  Her vocabulary is insane, you can't argue with her.  She's not a run down drunk or druggie, its just the extreme false allegations.  She calls cps on me, calls welfare checks on me.  I'm highly investigated and they all know nothing is wrong, and they all showed up to court and said it, so now its a conspiracy between me, the judge, and the prosecutor to traffic kids away from good moms.  Seriously that's what she said.  She reaches out to senators and groups, testifies in front of congress about corruption in family court.   So at first you think wow she's this amazing person fighting for us, then you realize who she claims to be is an act or a mask that really she's miserable and angry.  I've had her held in contempt twice and multiple sanctions, she still doesn't follow the orders under the veil of child safety, and now all of the professionals and law enforcement are involved in this huge coverup with me.    Now once you don't believe her or go against her, well you're part of it and she goes psycho doxxing you posting bad about you and that's when people realize, but the courts?  she gets away with everything.  I figure if I had a diagnosis that says that's what they do.  That she will twist anything to be bad when I'm painted all black then once you don't agree with her you're right there with me.  Maybe it wouldn't help, I don't know I'm just upset this isn't ending and she's escalating, not violence, just posting lies all over everywhere non stop. 

 84 
 on: October 14, 2026, 06:15:05 PM  
Started by mikejones75093 - Last post by CC43
Hi there,

A custody battle is generally a nightmare, but with BPD/NPD, it's an order of magnitude worse.

I think I'd advise that since you're dealing with a custody case here, the well-being of the children comes first.  Let's do a thought experiment.  Let's say you order a psych eval, and it comes back that your ex has BPD.  I'd ask, so what?  Parents can have all sorts of issues--physical, mental, financial, etc.--but nevertheless they're still able to parent.  So I think that what it comes down to is whether your ex is abusive, negligent or otherwise not capable of caring for your kid(s) properly.  My point is, it's not so much the diagnosis of BPD that's important; it's the behaviors that adversely impact the kid(s) that matter.  Things like screaming at the kid(s), insulting them, humiliating them, hitting them, scaring them, threatening them, punishing them excessively, blaming them, and making them over-function for their mom, becoming HER emotional caretaker and HER servants instead of the other way around, the way it's supposed to be.  You need to document a pattern of abuse in my opinion.

I have an ex BIL who is undiagnosed NPD and has a highly dysfunctional life, and who was also extremely combative in court, being an ex lawyer himself.  It took the courts a long time to "see through" his ploys--but once they did, they came down hard on him.  Basically they found him in contempt of court, and his parenting time was severely restricted, requiring supervision by another adult all times.

How did the court get there?  Well, CPS was involved, twice, and a GAL was appointed.  The GAL's investigations took several months.  And though a Cluster B can seem to "pull themselves together" for a short time, I think they don't have the stamina or consistency to "fake" it for very long.  Their self-destructive tendencies eventually shine through.  For my BIL, that included heavy drinking (and failing multiple breathalyzer tests), several missed appointments and court dates, the inability to produce requested documents, non-compliance with child support and general non-cooperation with court orders.  On top of that, in the intervening months he had run-ins with police and a few medical events, one requiring a long hospitalization.  In addition, he had a long track record of skipping visitation and neglecting to call his children when he had agreed to do it.  Together with the GAL report and recommendations, the courts saw through his BS and came up with a reasonable custody arrangement.  It was one of the very, very rare cases that wasn't settled and actually went to trial, because my ex BIL was so stubborn and refused to cooperate or negotiate.
 
But central to all that was demonstrating, not that my ex BIL was mentally ill, but that his parenting was inadequate for the children.  In his case, things like spotty driving/accidents, reports of not feeding the children, not attending to normal parenting duties (e.g. PTA meetings, doctors appointments, dental visits, kids' activities, etc.), parentification, allowing the kids to see porn/inappropriate movies, abusive language/insults and an unclean home were important in building the "case" of not being fit to parent on his own.  His inability to care for his own health issues (untreated diabetes, kidney failure, gout, alcoholism) also played a part.

Hope that perspective helps a little.

 85 
 on: October 14, 2026, 05:06:18 PM  
Started by dlunalouise@gmail.com - Last post by dlunalouise@gmail.com
My DIL was diagnosed with bpd. She is married to my son. My son, dil, 4 yr old granddaughter and 2 yr old grandson have lived with me since my granddaughter was born ( 4 years) for financial reasons. My son is continually looking for a better financially paying job, but in the meantime, they live with me. My dil is very moody, continuously upset with me, leaves dishes with food in the sink for sometimes two days ( where there is no room for me to do my own cooking or dishes). My relationship with my son and grandchildren means everything to me, so I don’t complain, I help clean when it gets too unbearable. I feel like I have no control over my home or life. Not sure what to do. I don’t want to kick them out of my house until they can financially afford it.

 86 
 on: October 14, 2026, 03:43:52 PM  
Started by mikejones75093 - Last post by mikejones75093
Ok so a giant nightmare of a multi year custody battle.  Nothing but false allegations and coaching.  I have very thorough documentation, witnesses, and professionals showing it's all false and coached.  The other party is now claiming conspiracy.  I have multi agencies coming to testify for me, and basically I'm Epstein without the wealth, power, or connections in the other parties mind.  The other party represents themself no attorney and just files motions left and right and it is delaying over and over and over.   Multiple motions to recuse, transfer venue, saying they didn't get all discovery because the "epstein" files showing the conspiracy aren't there.  The other party doesn't even follow the orders and my attorney has filed multiple enforcements and sanctions and we won, the other party never pays.  I am tired of it, I think the judge, the witnesses, and everyone knows although nobody can actually come out and say it.  Is it worth it to come out and point out what the other party has done and request a full psych eval?  Or are they too smart and will pass it?  If I could get an actual diagnosis on the record I think that would end this circus.  It's legalized harassment at this point and there are no consequences except being awarded fees that never get paid, and those fees don't come close to what I've had to pay my attorney over the last 2 years.  Everyone says dont bring up mental illness in court, the other party does everything everyone says NOT to do in court and here we are 2 years later and still going.  So at what point do I just say screw it and ask for the psych eval?

 87 
 on: October 14, 2026, 12:29:01 PM  
Started by xios - Last post by Tupla Sport
I'm so sorry you are going through this. I got a knot in my stomach reading your story. My ex used to threaten me with police too. Admittedly I did inevitably lash out which seemed to have been her plan. You are a better man than I was.

I hope you get full custody.

 88 
 on: October 14, 2026, 09:25:53 AM  
Started by xios - Last post by xios
I have set a boundary of not speaking to her when she gets mad or tries to force me to do what she says.
Even if I enforced that a few times successfully, it never solved anything, I just managed to get some breathing space before the next storm.

I also had just started enforcing a limit, I limited my time with her spending Monday to Friday in another house, as I worked from home and she constantly disturbed me throughout the day, preventing me from working, so I lost several jobs and my career got ruined eventually.

She also deprived me of sleep, that is why I started sleeping in this new house too.

She hated that after several warnings I actually moved to another house for weekdays, of course.

What happened this time was that she got madder and angrier with me refusing to do some things in our home routine in the way she wanted me to, I really believe the proper way was somehow else.

After me insisting I would not speak to her in this mood, she cornered me in a room, very angry, of course with very humiliating phrases, got closer and closer and when very close she put her arms up, to try to intimidate me with her physical presence.

I was telling her I was afraid of her and that I wanted her to leave us alone, our 3 year old toddler was behind my back all this time, hiding from her.

I then feared for the worse, and grabbed my phone and started recording video.
After some more screams she attacked me, grabbed my hand and my phone and threw it against the wall.
The video caught this.

I was already recording audio before that.

This left scratch marks in my hand, with light bleeding.

I managed to grab my phone again and started recording again, insisting on her leaving us alone.

She then told me I had 10 minutes to leave the house else she would call the police for me. What would she tell them I don't know, but she could just say she wanted me out of the house and probably they would have taken me to the police station at minimum.

So I left, am somewhere else now, filed a police report including the audio, video, and picture of my scratches.

I was already afraid of her, now I am very afraid of her.

I also feel very sad, as physical violence was the line I drew for divorce, and we had talked about this several times over the years, that we both had this line, that we would leave the other if the other had hit.
Yet she did it.
Systematically and progressively violating every limit I had.

I'm in the middle of the book "Stop caretaking for the BP...", so far it said that if abuse happened, most likely the only path forward is without that spouse.

My sadness comes mainly from my shattered dream of having a happy family, wife and kids in the same house.
We even had plans for a second kid of ours after some time.

But I have to look at her, how she actually is, right now, right in front of my eyes, and how she got worse over the years, instead of my dreamed up version of her where she is what I want or suddenly becomes what I want.
She hit me.

I know I can try again with a new wife eventually, but still this saddens me too much.
I really love being with my toddler every day.
This pains me the most. That I will no longer be with my kid daily.

 89 
 on: October 14, 2026, 08:01:39 AM  
Started by mamalynn - Last post by BPDstinks
Hi!  I had to jump on your story!  Quick version, my 25 y/o daughter was diagnosed with BPD when she was 21 years old....I researched EVERYthing, etc.; I "was" her "favorite" person (which, I have since learned, is not a great place to be!) a few months into this, she told me I was "enabling" her (doing all of the things she asked me TO do, like hide her pills, sleep over, many etc.) and she needed "space"; a couple days after that she said, "do you know why I am like this" (no!) and proceeded to say, "because I worked all the time & was never there for her" (I researched NOT to argue with BPD, just try to facilitate the conversation" but, I said, "I cannot apologize for working" (I know, in my heart, I WAS always there for my kids, though, I cannot deny working aLOT and strange hours (a Management position), after that, things went quickly downhill, I have been accused of being toxic, abusive (I have NEVER, ever laid on hand on my kids) and have not "seen" my daughter for nearly 4 years; we were texting quite a bit, but, my last round of holiday texts were never answered; (it sounds like I am "non-chalant" about this, I have just talked about it SO much, that I am rather immune to the whole situation); she cut ties with her father, (he got the biggest brunt of this, he was the "first" to go", her sister, her beautiful nieces; I found a therapist who specializes in "parents of adult children with BPD" and my daughter (another odd twist, b/c she DESPISED my mother) is closer to my Mom, who shares information with me, so, I know I am lucky in that regard....until than, I just keep on keeping on (I text on holidays, birthdays, and leave gifts for her, with my mom); I am VERY sorry that YOU are going through this....BPD seems to be a beast; feel free to reach out, if you like!

 90 
 on: October 14, 2026, 04:53:09 AM  
Started by Northern17 - Last post by Notwendy
Thank you wantmorepeace. It hardly feels like progress where putting the boundaries down results in more aggressive escalations and emotional violence that cuts deeper and deeper to try to get the same reaction.

In the good moments she gets vulnerable and even owns some of the mistakes, says she just wishes that i would open up more so that she would know when she's hurting me and she'd know to stop, and then when the bad times return I'm actually naive enough to believe this and it gets me sucked in deeper into the arguments to a point where she can hurt me again.

It truly feels like all vulnerability right now is ultimately a self destructive action because it will reliably be used against me in the near future. I feel like a fish on a hook, where the good moments are just meant to lure me to relax before string gets tightened again and eventually i run out of power to fight.


It may help to take an objective look at these behaviors. All behaviors persist because somehow, there's a payoff or benefit to them. It's how all living creatures operate- with positive or negative reinforcements for behaviors.

PwBPD have difficulty with their own emotions and so project them on to others, other situations. The anger episodes, dissociative rages, serve a purpose, to get these emotions out. After they are out, there is also a period of calm and relative clarity. These are the times where she appears able to recocile, apologize, make things better.

These are the times you feel more hopeful, inclined to discuss the situation, seek some reconciliation. IMHO I would not tell her "how much she's hurt you". This, with my BPD mother, would trigger shame in her. Shame feel intolerable, and she'd disssociate into a rage. It's worth saying this to someone who is capable of managing their feelings- as it might lead to understanding, but when someone is not and they dissociate from it, it doesn't change anything because they can not process it. You know how much your wife can or can not manage hearing this but my BPD mother could not.

The pwBPD may feel a sense of relief after an episode but those of us who also experienced this do not. However, the pwBPD may feel better, act nicer and so there's the all is well idea and do not bring up what happened assumption.

You have been helping to manage your wife's feelings for her for a long time. Your recent change in how much you do that has led to what is known as an extinction burst. To try to get you back to doing what helped before is a normal behavioral response. Your task is to maintain your changes through this.


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