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 on: May 04, 2026, 09:44:45 PM  
Started by zachira - Last post by TelHill
My friend told me I am too nice to people, and that is what makes me a target for being taken advantage of by the wrong kind of people.  I agree.
I don't know if true for you, zachira, but the cause of my 'being too nice' is freezing and fawning -- a response to childhood trauma.

I've become better than before by recognizing how I used to fawn over people who took my behavior as a green light to take advantage of me. I fawned to prevent them from verbally abusing me like my dBPD mom did. I don't fawn any longer.

I still have problems freezing with fear in a social setting. I tend not to correct narcissistic types, often becoming immobile and shaking inside with fear and confusion.

I can leave now after much self-work. Unfortunately,  I leave all the time now which is the other extreme. There's no abuse but no friends either.


I am now dealing with a man I would rather not associate with whom I see in the park. He now wants to take me out to a new restaurant because in his words he would rather test the restaurant out on me than take his aunts there first and find out that the food is not very good.

That doesn't sound very nice! It reminds me of medieval kings who had food testers in case someone poisoned their meal.

He's a persistent, domineering type of guy who won't take no for an answer. In my experience they will not respect your decision to say no to a date. They tend to get angry when spurned, saying something cruel or inappropriate.

This is just unsolicitated advice but avoid going to the park for a few weeks when he's there or go to another park. Act cool and distant to him when you return. You have the right to  not talk to him anymore. Telling him the truth leaves you open to abuse.

I'm reading a self-help book to recognize disordered people and find healthy people. It's called 'Safe People: How to Find Relationships that are Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren't' by  Henry Cloud and John Townsend. They list the types of behavior to look for and why this behavior makes a person unsafe.

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 on: May 04, 2026, 08:23:49 PM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by PearlsBefore
Hi there,

I'm torn on this one.  The message does indeed seem disturbing, though it contains some therapy-speak, and I suspect some input from ChatGPT.  Granted, when I was an early teen, I felt anger about being parentified, and I wrote down some pretty gruesome death wishes (by drowning, poisoning, smothering, electric shock . . . ), as an outlet of frustration and general overwhelm, though I had zero intention of acting on any of it, I promise.  Sometimes I wrote down outrageous fantasies in a diary, just to test if people were spying on me and invading my privacy!  But actually sharing a disturbing message like that seems to me like a cry for help.  It could be a misguided way of saying, "I'm really struggling with feelings of rage and hatred, you did this to me, I can't handle this anymore."  He reveals he's feeling mocked--that tells me he could be feeling extremely insecure.

Do you have a sense of what's really bugging your son right now?  He says he doesn't want the "misery" to continue.  Do you understand what he means?  I get that at 13, many things feel like misery, because he's old enough to want things, and yet he's stuck at home with relatively few freedoms, as well as an immature body.  School can seem tedious and pointless, especially for a smart kid.  By the same token, it would feel like "forever" before he turns 18 and can do whatever he wants, at least in theory.  Meanwhile, he might be struggling with fitting in amongst peers, especially if he hasn't found an "identity" (e.g. athletic, smart, popular, artistic, handy) and the appropriate outlet (sports, chess, clubs, musical instruments, computers, Boy Scouts, fixing cars, etc.).  What does this young man have lined up for the summer?  Is there any sort of camp that might help him forge a more positive identity and outlook?  He's old enough to be a Counselor in Training.

Sometimes I think that with boys, the notion of talking a lot with a therapist can be offputting (and stigmatizing), and he might benefit more by surrounding himself with positive role models and participating in engaging activities.  The Boy Scouts comes to mind.  I'm mentioning that because the Boy Scouts has been an extremely positive influence on the 13-year-old in my life, who had struggled when living with a disordered uNPD father.

Yeah, so I agree the suicide/homicide threats are pretty unrealistic and more a cry for help; he's been suspended from school in Mom's homestate more than a dozen times including threatening to kill teachers, peers and carry out school massacres - as well as unarmed violence including twice sending peers for medical treatment afterward - so his "misery" is multifaceted - in this email he sort of throws it at me (I can take it, no worries) but he's cycled through blaming Sibling 1, Sibling 2, Sibling 3 and myself rapidly over the years, never daring to name Mom (who is realistically the one who abused him, and dBPD).

I agree he's very insecure, and feels very sensitive to being "mocked" - which we all try to avoid, but if the whole family doesn't cancel an outing because he stubbed his toe he feels like we're all hating on him and mocking him, etc. Which lends itself towards a bit of the drama of BPD, but also could just be early teen drama hopefully.

He does have a couple friends (not the healthiest friends, but any friend is better than no friend) which is good, but again they're the ones hating school in a trenchcoat mafia together- so it's not exactly that he's found his niche so much as he's found other troubled boys - but Roblox and Clash Royale keep them occupied some of the time, etc.

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 on: May 04, 2026, 04:23:19 PM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by Pook075
I should be able to share feelings with a partner, or with any adult in my life that I share trust and relationship with. I should be able to offer my thoughts in good faith, and have them received. People can meet each other in process, and it can lead to more love and acceptance, not anguish and confusion. I know this from healthy friendships, and there's no reason a romantic relationship should be different, let alone worse.

My current wife, who's not mentally ill, picked up that my ex used to deny my ability to express feelings.  So she does the same thing and will say, "Stop pretending, that didn't hurt you..." when she knows I just bumped my knee or whatever common thing we do to get hurt occasionally. 

It will always catch me off guard and I'll give her a mean look, then she'll just start laughing at me as she asks if I'm okay.  The way she handles feelings/emotional stuff like that makes it so obvious that what I had before wasn't healthy.  So even if you're not calling it "abuse", that doesn't make it normal or acceptable.  In a relationship, two people take care of each other- that's "normal."

 84 
 on: May 04, 2026, 04:09:51 PM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by DesertDreamer
Hi, also just chiming in to say that this has become a consideration of mine in the last week. I talked to my friend about some of my relationship experiences, and they said "oh that's abuse," and what I did was try to talk them back from the word. I probably said something like "oh I wouldn't say it's abuse, I'd say it's mistreatment or something."

So I get feeling like it's a big term - it carries a lot of baggage with it, culturally and perhaps personally. It's hard to look at having been in an abusive situation. It's hard to let the painful memories have their full presence. But even in considering the word abuse this last week, I more solidly feel that what I experienced was emotional abuse. It took me stumbling upon the term "covert emotional abuse," to see my experience reflected. This was the case with accepting that my partner had some traits of BPD as well - maybe since I was unfamiliar with BPD, or maybe because what other people described as BPD didn't line up quite with what I was seeing, I wasn't always comfortable saying that my partner had BPD traits. Same goes for emotionally abusive.

Now I can see a few things more clearly. For one example, she'd get hung up on *how* I said something instead of paying attention to my ask/feelings (in situations when I knew I'd said something calmly and with care). In the course of the relationship, that led to me painstakingly constructing my explanations, remaking them over and over again, as many times as she took issue with them. No success there. I should be able to share feelings with a partner, or with any adult in my life that I share trust and relationship with. I should be able to offer my thoughts in good faith, and have them received. People can meet each other in process, and it can lead to more love and acceptance, not anguish and confusion. I know this from healthy friendships, and there's no reason a romantic relationship should be different, let alone worse.


 85 
 on: May 04, 2026, 03:11:50 PM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by CC43
Hi there,

I'm torn on this one.  The message does indeed seem disturbing, though it contains some therapy-speak, and I suspect some input from ChatGPT.  Granted, when I was an early teen, I felt anger about being parentified, and I wrote down some pretty gruesome death wishes (by drowning, poisoning, smothering, electric shock . . . ), as an outlet of frustration and general overwhelm, though I had zero intention of acting on any of it, I promise.  Sometimes I wrote down outrageous fantasies in a diary, just to test if people were spying on me and invading my privacy!  But actually sharing a disturbing message like that seems to me like a cry for help.  It could be a misguided way of saying, "I'm really struggling with feelings of rage and hatred, you did this to me, I can't handle this anymore."  He reveals he's feeling mocked--that tells me he could be feeling extremely insecure.

Do you have a sense of what's really bugging your son right now?  He says he doesn't want the "misery" to continue.  Do you understand what he means?  I get that at 13, many things feel like misery, because he's old enough to want things, and yet he's stuck at home with relatively few freedoms, as well as an immature body.  School can seem tedious and pointless, especially for a smart kid.  By the same token, it would feel like "forever" before he turns 18 and can do whatever he wants, at least in theory.  Meanwhile, he might be struggling with fitting in amongst peers, especially if he hasn't found an "identity" (e.g. athletic, smart, popular, artistic, handy) and the appropriate outlet (sports, chess, clubs, musical instruments, computers, Boy Scouts, fixing cars, etc.).  What does this young man have lined up for the summer?  Is there any sort of camp that might help him forge a more positive identity and outlook?  He's old enough to be a Counselor in Training.

Sometimes I think that with boys, the notion of talking a lot with a therapist can be offputting (and stigmatizing), and he might benefit more by surrounding himself with positive role models and participating in engaging activities.  The Boy Scouts comes to mind.  I'm mentioning that because the Boy Scouts has been an extremely positive influence on the 13-year-old in my life, who had struggled when living with a disordered uNPD father.

 86 
 on: May 04, 2026, 11:58:25 AM  
Started by Bara - Last post by Pook075
I want nothing more than to co-parent peacefully, but my ex’s hyper-focus on 'knowing best' and her insistence on diagnosing our 6-year-old with neurodivergence has made that nearly impossible. Lately, she has moved from being difficult to actively obstructing my relationship with our son.


Sometimes with my BPD daughter (who's late 20's), I've found it easier to lean into stuff like that instead of trying to argue it.  He's neurodivergent?  We'd better get him tested right away since he should be in specialized classes that will help him learn better social skills.  Can we get an appointment with a specialist this week?  There's no time to waste, nothing but the best care for our son.

This forces my BPD to either double down or back off, but either way it leads to professional help.  It also creates a paper trail of your son being tested, which can later be handy to have in court for her "parenting style" of making up nonsense.  And if he does actually happen to be neurodivergent, then it's good to recognize that early.  Either way though, it removes her excuses from the table because you're encouraging what she's saying in in the child's best interests.  Either she's right or she's not.

 87 
 on: May 04, 2026, 11:40:00 AM  
Started by zachira - Last post by zachira
TelHill and Notwendy,
It really is comforting to me to know that you would not help the neighbor out in this situation because of how she would use the help as a means to open the door to more abuse. Thank you for understanding.

My friend told me I am too nice to people, and that is what makes me a target for being taken advantage of by the wrong kind of people. I agree. I am now dealing with a man I would rather not associate with whom I see in the park. He now wants to take me out to a new restaurant because in his words he would rather test the restaurant out on me than take his aunts there first and find out that the food is not very good. I have some work to do on setting healthier boundaries with people. At the same time, I enjoy interacting with all kinds of people. The boundaries to work on include not being such an open book and distancing myself sooner rather than later with people who are unsafe.

 88 
 on: May 04, 2026, 11:26:55 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by ForeverDad
Also, let me relate something that happened with me so you won't be caught off guard by trick questions and tripped up by your normal feelings which can easily be used against you.  When my then-separated spouse and I were in court with allegations against each other, her lawyer asked me, "Do you want her back?"  I was aware that he had just asked me my weight compared to hers, alluding that a weight difference ought to make her fearful of me, I knew he was angling to paint me as a controller who wanted his target back under his control.  So I answered, "Not the way she is."

You will find many nuggets of wisdom here.  Sadly, sometimes we didn't think of them until afterward when our golden opportunity was past.  Here is one possible response to be prepared to use in case your spouse ever alleges she's fearful of you because you're much larger than she is...

... . in court during mutual protection cases, when I testified about her actions and her threats, her attorney asked me if I weighed more than her (of course) wanted to divorce (of course not) then he said I must want to control her.  Huh?  How could he ever say that of me?  I just said no.  I should have replied (remember this, guys, in your own testimonies and cross-examinations) our child is smaller than both of us, should our child fear us because we're bigger?  Anyway, he then asked if I wanted her back home that night, I guess still pursuing that 'controlling husband' strategy.  Fortunately, I said, No, not the way she is.

 89 
 on: May 04, 2026, 11:17:28 AM  
Started by Bara - Last post by ForeverDad
If you already have a custody and parenting schedule order and you ex is not complying with it, then the court will likely confirm it if your ex does not have convincing substantiated documentation and not just hearsay or "I am the Mother".  Yes, she is the mother, but you're the father.  You're not just chump change.

She may have decided for herself that she has authority over you, but family court is The Authority.  However, court also seems reluctant to put its foot down quickly and does seem to make the smallest changes to existing orders.

Do you have a lawyer?  Will your ex appear with one?

If you have only a brief hearing scheduled, such as for a half hour, then not much may get decided.  You may need to ask for a Custody Evaluation where the evaluator digs past the surface claims and looks deeper into the parenting of both parents.  Mine was done over a course of 4-5 months by a local child psychologist who was trusted totally by the court.  His initial report was barely 11 pages but it packed a punch.

Be aware that not all custody evaluators are proficient or unbiased.  Some are newer professionals, try to write books to submit to the court and charge high fees to match.  So if you decide to ask for a CE then do similar to how you would choose a counselor for your children in a contested scenario... take the time to vet the ones available in your area, make a short list of ones who are respected and bring that to court.  Why to court?  Court may like it better if both parents are involved in the selection.  By being ready to offer your vetted list to the court for the ex to make the final selection, then you may avoid the risk of your ex choosing one who may be partial, biased, gullible or inexperienced.

 90 
 on: May 04, 2026, 10:45:53 AM  
Started by Bara - Last post by Bara
I really appreciate everyone sharing their stories; it helps to know I’m not alone in this.

I want nothing more than to co-parent peacefully, but my ex’s hyper-focus on 'knowing best' and her insistence on diagnosing our 6-year-old with neurodivergence has made that nearly impossible. Lately, she has moved from being difficult to actively obstructing my relationship with our son.

After two years of a consistent 'status quo' schedule, she’s decided she is now the sole gatekeeper. She’s justifying withholding him by saying 'he doesn’t want to go,' and she’s started circumventing school pickups by keeping him home or showing up early to intercept him. I refuse to make a scene in front of him, but it's heartbreaking.

My ex-parte request was denied because he isn't in 'immediate danger,' and now I’m just stuck waiting for the custody hearing while she dictates the rules and builds a distorted narrative. I’m following the advice to not involve him in the 'grown-up talk,' but I feel defeated and I just miss my son.

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