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 on: September 18, 2026, 04:04:54 PM  
Started by Redhorse93 - Last post by CC43
Regretfully, our daughters therapist has become non-responsive to any of our correspondence.  Not even a response to the question: How could we best support our daughter at this time?  Nor, to one in regards to 'housekeeping'/ super bills for out-of-network filing. 

Hi again,

I love your angle here, asking the therapist how best to support your daughter right now.  That's what I meant about not delving into the nitty-gritty of what your daughter is discussing with her  therapist, but rather asking how to best support her.

Having said that, if the therapist were non-responsive, especially about unexpected billings or reimbursement administration, and if I were paying the bill, then I think I'd reconsider paying the bills going forward.  You don't have to agree to continue paying bills when you don't understand what you're paying for.  I know I'm probably a tough cookie here, but that's how I feel.  If your daughter likes her therapist, or if she's leaning into TikTok, then that's her choice entirely.  But when I'm writing the checks, I have a right to control how my money is being spent, and I just don't approve of a therapist who won't answer billing questions and who doesn't work with me as a team.  Don't get me started on TikTok therapy.

Since it sounds like you're paying for your daughter's health insurance AND therapy, you could insist that she find a therapist who is cheaper or in-network.  If not, you're not paying.  Leave the choice to your daughter as to what she wants to do.

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 on: September 18, 2026, 03:01:19 PM  
Started by bluebird314 - Last post by PeteWitsend
...

This is going to take time. My heart has to much healing to do. ...

I'll quote ForeverDad here: "recovery is a process, not an event."

It can go on in fits and starts, and takes time, and I think you often don't realize when you've healed, you just move on with your life. 

 83 
 on: September 18, 2026, 02:36:11 PM  
Started by Redhorse93 - Last post by Redhorse93
I appreciate both your follow-up messages.  I see many parallels, and I am thankful for you sharing your insight and thoughts to prompt further reflection.   
Regretfully, our daughters therapist has become non-responsive to any of our correspondence.  Not even a response to the question: How could we best support our daughter at this time?  Nor, to one in regards to 'housekeeping'/ super bills for out-of-network filing.  We pray we begin to see positive behavioral changes, as well as accountability, that would be an indication that both our daughter and her therapist are putting in focused efforts towards her progress.  Right now our daughter seems driven by TikTok therapy, which further exasperates the negative blame cycle.  Sigh~  Thank you again for weighing in on young adult therapy!

 84 
 on: September 18, 2026, 10:22:33 AM  
Started by LazyAtoms - Last post by CC43
I know she is very angry, because she feels that she was so misunderstood and mistreated as a child.  And I cannot change those feelings for her.  But this endless anger is holding her back.   When they run out of villains do they actually look in the mirror and start to do the work?  I have left the door open to her in so many ways.  I have told her repeatedly that I love her and I am sorry even when she is raging at me.   She cannot seem to hear it though.

My adult stepdaughter is very similar.  So much anger holding her back, as well as several years(!) spent hating and waiting on the sidelines of her life.  Hating and waiting became her "occupation."  Alas, her dad enabled that situation to fester, because he was in a FOG of fear, obligation and guilt, and he was walking on eggshells, too scared to compel her to work on herself, let alone kick her out of the house.  But in reality, that made things worse, because she fell farther and farther "behind" her peers/siblings/cousins, and that did a number on her self confidence.  There comes a point where dysfunction and victimhood can BECOME her identity.  That's a very sad place to be.

Do they ever look in the mirror and start to do the work?  I think they can, provided that there is absolutely nowhere else to look.  For as long as you, a boyfriend, another relative or someone else close to her is enabling her, she won't look in the mirror.  Unfortunately, she probably has to hit bottom first, and literally have no other option, save for getting therapy and working on herself.

It took my BPD stepdaughter several suicide attempts and stays in the hospital to hit bottom.  But the good news is, once she committed to therapy, she did the work and turned her life around pretty quickly.  Her life looks much, much better now than it once did.  Though she's currently estranged from most her family, we still keep tabs on her.  Currently she's struggling because she got her first "career" job, and she's overwhelmed by the stress of it.  Meanwhile, my husband is all stressed out about his daughter's struggles with her new job, and he's testy and grumpy.  I've tried to remain calm and remind him, it's OK for a new employee to feel overwhelmed, that's to be expected.  She just has to take it one day at a time right now.

All the best to you.

 85 
 on: September 18, 2026, 09:46:18 AM  
Started by LazyAtoms - Last post by LazyAtoms
Wow, lots of great insights here.  My sense is that you have a good handle on what is going on.  If only you could help your daughter feel better . . .

Anyway, I have a few observations.  Let's see:

"Her issues really manifest in personal relationships mostly. She is hyper critical of everyone. No one can meet her standards."  Indeed.  I think pwBPD suffer from a "permafrost" attitude, percieving negativity and ill intent almost everywhere.  It's probably part of the black-and-white thinking, but in my experience, their thinking is overwhelmingly BLACK.  Granted, there might be glimpses of white, but they usually involve what I call "fantasy" thinking, as in, pwBPD wants to move to another city as soon as possible, believing that her life will magically get better, because the grass is always greener on the other side.  Lots of color analogies here, but I think you'll get what I mean.

"She claims she is working that in therapy and is building resilience; she claims I am weak and not resilient because I cannot handle her anger at me and won’t admit I am wrong."  OK, two things here.  First, she's working in therapy, and that is a very positive sign.  That she's calling out "building resilience" sounds to me like her therapist has her working on the right things!  You see, she's not emphasizing desconstructing her terrible childhood; it's more about handling her day-to-day emotions (based on my reading).  Second, your daughter is accusing you of being weak and unable to handle anger.  If you think that's poppycock, then it's a sure sign that she's PROJECTING onto you.  I think her words are actually code for, "I'm weak and can't handle my anger."  If you are on the lookout for projection, for any accusations that seem totally off-base, then it's easier not to take your daughter's words so personally, and maybe not be so reactive to them.  In fact, I think if you listen for projections, more often than not, you can see what's bugging your daughter.  That's because she's so worried about her shortcomings that she's ruminating about them constantly, and they are always top-of-mind, which is why they emerge as projections onto you.  Does that make sense?

"I do believe she has deep shame on a lot of levels.  She has told me before that she has intrusive thoughts that she is a bad person."  OK, that's understandable, but it's also progress in my opinion.  She has taken a temporary break from blaming you and shows some self-reflection.  The thing is though, just like she's hard on everyone else, she's too hard on herself.  She hasn't learned yet to contextualize, to have perspective, to take the good with the bad, etc.  She ruminates excessively, which makes things worse than they already are.  My opinion is that she needs to spend less time thinking and more time DOING.  Otherwise, she carves a negative thinking rut into her brain.  Instead, she needs to work to get past the past, which she can't change anyway, and look forward.

"I am sure it is because of her unstable sense of self… many times she has told me stories about personas she puts on in new groups of people etc."  Indeed this is typical for pwBPD in my opinion--not being sure about their likes and dislikes, trying out new personas in order to fit in, mirroring other people to be accepted.  While there's a certain amount of experimentation in adolescence which is completely normal, I think that for pwBPD, it can be disorienting.  In college and in early careers, they feel rudderless, with no clear idea about what major to choose, what sort of career to pursue, what they're good at, etc.  I think they're more likely to do things because their friends do it, than out of any genuine interest.  And if the friend group isn't the best, then that can spell trouble.

As an aside, one time I sat with my BPD adult stepdaugther and encourged her to complete a questionnaire about basic likes and dislikes (e.g. writing, being outdoors, talking with other people, working with your hands, building things) that could match her with potential careers.  I started by saying, "There are no wrong answers here; just be honest, and it will be fun to see what sorts of jobs pop up, OK?"  For context, I did this exercise with her because she was totally lost about what sort of job to pursue.  Well, I was ASTOUNDED at how she didn't seem to know who she was, and by how she answered some questions.  She seemed totally, utterly clueless, and sometimes completely wrong, if that makes any sense.  Like, she thinks she's "personable" and "outgoing."  Not by a long shot.

"She also does struggle with overwhelm at adulting tasks. I have been there helping her with things the entire time."  Indeed, my pwBPD really struggles with adulting tasks.  She needs lots and lots of downtime.  But to some extent, I think she's had trouble BECAUSE her parents over-functioned for her for an extended time.  One example is household chores; she didn't have any responsibilities for chores growing up.  So I think when she went to college, she completely broke down, uncertain of how to do her laundry, clean her room or manage her schedule, let alone study independently, let alone juggle everything simultaneously.  Unfortunately, because she's so moody, and she tends to blame other people for her problems, it takes her extra-long to figure out how to manage some daily tasks.  And like your daughter, she needs to work on resilience--not letting little setbacks derail her.

Just my two cents.





"Her issues really manifest in personal relationships mostly. She is hyper critical of everyone. No one can meet her standards."  Indeed.  I think pwBPD suffer from a "permafrost" attitude, percieving negativity and ill intent almost everywhere.  It's probably part of the black-and-white thinking, but in my experience, their thinking is overwhelmingly BLACK.  Granted, there might be glimpses of white, but they usually involve what I call "fantasy" thinking, as in, pwBPD wants to move to another city as soon as possible, believing that her life will magically get better, because the grass is always greener on the other side.  Lots of color analogies here, but I think you'll get what I mean.”

I really agree on the “grass is always greener” thinking.  My husband’s ex-wife was like that, she constantly wanted to move because she was sure that would make her happier. My daughter is absolutely convinced that when she has kids, it will all be sunshine and roses because SHE will understand exactly what they need and can give it to them, unlike me.

"She claims she is working that in therapy and is building resilience; she claims I am weak and not resilient because I cannot handle her anger at me and won’t admit I am wrong."  OK, two things here.  First, she's working in therapy, and that is a very positive sign.  That she's calling out "building resilience" sounds to me like her therapist has her working on the right things!  You see, she's not emphasizing desconstructing her terrible childhood; it's more about handling her day-to-day emotions (based on my reading).  Second, your daughter is accusing you of being weak and unable to handle anger.  If you think that's poppycock, then it's a sure sign that she's PROJECTING onto you.  I think her words are actually code for, "I'm weak and can't handle my anger."  If you are on the lookout for projection, for any accusations that seem totally off-base, then it's easier not to take your daughter's words so personally, and maybe not be so reactive to them.  In fact, I think if you listen for projections, more often than not, you can see what's bugging your daughter.  That's because she's so worried about her shortcomings that she's ruminating about them constantly, and they are always top-of-mind, which is why they emerge as projections onto you.  Does that make sense?”

I think you are absolutely correct about her projections.  I have not gotten mad or yelled at her during any of her verbal attacks on me.  I did cry, which pissed her off more, but never angry… if I ever spoke to her like she spoke to me she would absolutely lose it.   She clearly is not controlling the vile things that are coming out of her mouth, but she says I am the weak one….

"I do believe she has deep shame on a lot of levels.  She has told me before that she has intrusive thoughts that she is a bad person."  OK, that's understandable, but it's also progress in my opinion.  She has taken a temporary break from blaming you and shows some self-reflection.  The thing is though, just like she's hard on everyone else, she's too hard on herself.  She hasn't learned yet to contextualize, to have perspective, to take the good with the bad, etc.  She ruminates excessively, which makes things worse than they already are.  My opinion is that she needs to spend less time thinking and more time DOING.  Otherwise, she carves a negative thinking rut into her brain.  Instead, she needs to work to get past the past, which she can't change anyway, and look forward.”

This is my hope for her.  She is incredibly intelligent and can have great insight when she is regulated.  Unfortunately she seems to be very dysregulated right now, and I am sad I cannot be there for her because currently she despises me.

"I am sure it is because of her unstable sense of self… many times she has told me stories about personas she puts on in new groups of people etc."  Indeed this is typical for pwBPD in my opinion--not being sure about their likes and dislikes, trying out new personas in order to fit in, mirroring other people to be accepted.  While there's a certain amount of experimentation in adolescence which is completely normal, I think that for pwBPD, it can be disorienting.  In college and in early careers, they feel rudderless, with no clear idea about what major to choose, what sort of career to pursue, what they're good at, etc.  I think they're more likely to do things because their friends do it, than out of any genuine interest.  And if the friend group isn't the best, then that can spell trouble.

She definitely tries on personas constantly, we have always noticed at family gatherings, she loves to be the center of attention, “performs” outrageous stories, etc.  Sometimes she will monopolize group conversations for ages.  Luckily, she has settled on a very smart career path already, and is very excited about it, so I am hoping that will give her purpose. 

“As an aside, one time I sat with my BPD adult stepdaugther and encourged her to complete a questionnaire about basic likes and dislikes (e.g. writing, being outdoors, talking with other people, working with your hands, building things) that could match her with potential careers.  I started by saying, "There are no wrong answers here; just be honest, and it will be fun to see what sorts of jobs pop up, OK?"  For context, I did this exercise with her because she was totally lost about what sort of job to pursue.  Well, I was ASTOUNDED at how she didn't seem to know who she was, and by how she answered some questions.  She seemed totally, utterly clueless, and sometimes completely wrong, if that makes any sense.  Like, she thinks she's "personable" and "outgoing."  Not by a long shot.”

"She also does struggle with overwhelm at adulting tasks. I have been there helping her with things the entire time."  Indeed, my pwBPD really struggles with adulting tasks.  She needs lots and lots of downtime.  But to some extent, I think she's had trouble BECAUSE her parents over-functioned for her for an extended time.  One example is household chores; she didn't have any responsibilities for chores growing up.  So I think when she went to college, she completely broke down, uncertain of how to do her laundry, clean her room or manage her schedule, let alone study independently, let alone juggle everything simultaneously.  Unfortunately, because she's so moody, and she tends to blame other people for her problems, it takes her extra-long to figure out how to manage some daily tasks.  And like your daughter, she needs to work on resilience--not letting little setbacks derail her.”

I know I over functioned for her, I own that completely.  Part of it was that for household things, getting her to do chores was just not worth the fights that it set off. So much walking on eggshells.   She can be very capable when she wants to, but her ADHD and anxiety get in the way of SO many things.  I don’t know, I hate this SO much.  I know she is very angry, because she feels that she was so misunderstood and mistreated as a child.  And I cannot change those feelings for her.  But this endless anger is holding her back.   When they run out of villains do they actually look in the mirror and start to do the work?  I have left the door open to her in so many ways.  I have told her repeatedly that I love her and I am sorry even when she is raging at me.   She cannot seem to hear it though.

I have really appreciated your thoughts, thank you.


 86 
 on: September 18, 2026, 09:36:01 AM  
Started by Ashesanddust - Last post by Rowdy
To answer your question, yes my ex bpd did often reach out expecting communication, even to the point of messaging at 1 or 2am expecting me to rush over for a ‘cup of tea’. This was while she was with a new partner but not living with him.. I still get blocked, unblocked and then monthly soft h o o v e r attempts (have to write it like that or it gets edited for some strange reason!?)

There is, and never will be any accountability. My ex doesn’t even respect herself, her health or her own body so I can not expect any from her for me.

It is hypocritical and very one sided being in, or having been in a relationship with someone so disordered. But it does get easier.
I don’t know your story, it reads as if you are the one that broke it off with him, and I’m not sure how long you have been separated. In my case I had no choice, I didn’t even know bpd was a thing, so I chased. But over time you begin to piece the parts of the puzzle together and see things more clearly, and then you can begin to start giving yourself the closure you need.

 With a pwBPD enough is never enough. There was a moment it looked like my ex was going to leave her new partner, sort her head out and come home. She then changed her mind and started waffling that I hadn’t text her enough so she didn’t feel important enough. I counted the amount of texts between us in the 24hrs before that statement, there were roughly 120 text messages, but that wasn’t enough.

This is how the disordered mind works. It is the bottomless pit that can never be filled. You say you give him the opportunity to apologise or make things right. Sadly, doing this is only setting yourself up for a fall. A healthy person apologises for their mistakes, but as you have noted any time you give him that chance he tilts the other way. He is not a healthy person, and by hoping he is going to act like one is only going to lead to disappointment.

 87 
 on: September 18, 2026, 09:22:14 AM  
Started by LazyAtoms - Last post by LazyAtoms
when my (I think the phrase is pw/BPD) was diagnosed, I than got to thinking, like you said, about past relationships, she always had ONLY one friend, at a time, these were very intense friendships, like they were ALWAYS together, eventually, for "some" reason, the friends "left", the very last friend flat out said, "I cannot deal with "this" and took a "break" I am EMBARRASED to admit, at this point, I do not know WHERE my pw/BPD lives!  She "ghosted" me, her father (he was the first to "go" (right before the space "issue" at Christmas, he was not allowed over her apartment (it was just awful, he CRIED (to this day, he just will NOT understand when I explain the BPD) (it was a terrible Christmas, I got her gifts she said she WANTED & she would push them aside, (I know there is reference to spending elaborately) she got me so many gifts it was overwhelming, very expensive items, when I would comment she said "that is what happens when you take the time to pick out things you know people like" (ouch!) anyway! she cut off her BEAUTIFUL nieces (we practically raised the oldest....so sad, she asks about her all the time), she quit her wonderful job, dropped out of college, has had 3 inpatient stints (those are awful); well...I digress!  I just agree that it makes ZERO sense; I read that one can "grieve someone still alive" that is how I feel, all of her friends are now getting married or beginning their families...mental health is a BEAST

My goodness, yes, the "grieving someone that is still alive"... truly one of the saddest things ever.  I am so sorry that she cut off your nieces as well, that is terrible.

 88 
 on: September 18, 2026, 07:20:10 AM  
Started by Ashesanddust - Last post by wantmorepeace
If you are disposed to note things down, it's also great to note all the ways in which you're helping yourself.

 89 
 on: September 18, 2026, 07:18:32 AM  
Started by bluebird314 - Last post by wantmorepeace
Thank you in return.  We help each other.

 90 
 on: September 18, 2026, 05:29:15 AM  
Started by telephoneauthor - Last post by chayka
I'm so sorry for all that you've been going through, especially for the loss of your nephew.

It sounds as if you've been quietly supporting family members while trying not to rock the boat for a long, long time; now you've gone into a kind of shutdown with your sister because you simply don't have anything left.

Do you have the option of seeking therapy? I get the impression that you could really use some support, and someone to walk alongside you as you sort things out in your head.

I can understand your feeling guilty about not supporting your sister in this very painful situation, but you also have emotional needs and limitations, and you are not inexhaustible.

There's a line in the book, "Understanding the Borderline Mother", which goes something like, "Everybody has the right to protect their own life". I find this helpful when dealing with guilt over not supporting my mother enough.

Re what you said near the end of your post, it's usually not a good idea to tell a person they have BPD unless they already show signs of recognising that there is a problem with how they are functioning, and seem open to seeking help. If they are blaming everyone around them for their own behavioural issues, confronting them with the idea that there might be something wrong with them is likely to rebound on you and make the whole situation worse.

Sending you a hug as you navigate this very difficult time in your life, and hoping for better times ahead for you  With affection (click to insert in post)


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