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 81 
 on: June 19, 2026, 09:27:06 AM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
Thanks NotWendy,
This scenario and my actions would have been totally different with my non bpd son. It helps validate that truth. I do give myself some grace for my response back then. I was the emotional caretaker for my mentally ill Dad. Not protected by my Mom. I'm thinking because it gave her a break from his neediness and other issues. Also, my first marriage was physically abusive for many years, then verbally and emotionally abusive.
Believe it or not I've actually come a long way, with many years of personal work off and on over the years.
I know I can overcome my struggle with rescuing  my swbpd. You all have been a support for me in this.

 82 
 on: June 19, 2026, 07:01:08 AM  
Started by Intotheforest - Last post by Notwendy
She is always in a battle - and the battles are always huge. She is at the center as a hero fighting for the morally just.

I question if I am just being cold-hearted by not running to her aid when the next battle comes up. That's where I'm at now.

I think I've come to realize that I am responding to the behavioral pattern and the rest of my siblings are responding to each battle as they come up. I've always said I want her to have peace in her life. I don't know. Feeling gross because here we go again.


I think what you recognize is a behavioral conflict pattern, clothed in some kind of "moral battle" but is actually dysfunction.

It may help to separate the dysfunctional pattern from the presumption of "morality" and see that this is drama which puts her at the center of attention.

When a pwBPD is in victim perspective, inevitably if someone doesn't step in to "rescue" them, then they are in bad guy position. So that is a part of the situation, but it doesn't make it true.

You want her to have peace in her life but you also can want peace for yourself. We are the ones to choose that for ourselves. She's the one in constant battle. You don't have to be.

There are many ways to help with injustice and we can choose our own causes and how to help. Let's say for example, her current issue is she's feeling like someone was injust to her, and hurt her and is rallying against domestic violence. You don't have to step into her drama but if this is a moral cause for you, you can donate to a local shelter or organization that is effective in helping with this cause. She doesn't decide your moral actions- you do.

What you do to act morally in the world is your choice, and not your sister's to decide for you.








 83 
 on: June 19, 2026, 06:34:02 AM  
Started by mn1314495 - Last post by Notwendy
That he used the word "assaulted" is concerning because in the legal world of police and courts "assault" is an extremely serious allegation. 

As already noted, we refrain from saying stay or go since that is for you to decide.  Weigh all the facts and risks and what you've learned thus far.

I don't know what country you are in, or the rules in your Uni, but in the US, if a student reports assault at university - to a professor or staff, they have to report it. The university will then investigate it.

Sometimes these allegations are false- but still requires investigation and false allegations may still be damaging.

Consider why you are in university- because you have goals for your future. You can put these goals first when deciding about a relationship.

 84 
 on: June 19, 2026, 06:09:42 AM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by Notwendy
This is 95% me. I have more healing, more attention to taking care of myself.
NotWendy - my son's comment about the braces was what kind of a mom would have their son's braces cut off .

I see the mother-child relationship as a product of both people and if one has BPD, the relationship is influened by BPD thinking.

For the non BPD teen- getting braces can be uncomfortable, but there are two relationships they have with this.  One is with the orthodontist, who explains the process, and the child understands that the discomfort is temporary and not done on purpose to hurt them. The child by then also has some tolerance for temporary discomfort. The other is with parents- so when they feel some pain, they tell their parents. The parents aren't concerned as this seems normal to them, and they give the child some Tylenol.

For the teen with BPD, in the moment, they are feeling pain. They may have low tolerance for discomfort and delayed gratification. They are in pain right now and that's their focus, projecting on to the orthodontist who "hurt them" and are crying to their parents about how much it hurts.

Then there's the parent, with their own personalities and history. If the parent grew up with dysfunction, they may have less tolerance for seeing their child in what is necessary discomfort for the purpose of the end result, which is a nice smile, and also they may have been quick to soothe discomfort all along- if the child's reactions are extreme, or their tolerance for their reactions is low- maybe a bit of both, so the child has less experience with self soothing.

I think you can forgive yourself for taking the braces off. You did what you probably felt was needed to relieve your son of his distress in the moment, a function of his ability to tolerate it and your ability to tolerate his distress.

What kind of mother  has the braces taken off? A mother who doesn't want to see her child in pain. No parent wants to see a child in pain, but for a parent with a non- BPD child, we can provide relief by talking to the child and offering a Tylenol- and that works. If your son was inconsolable, unable to reason, escalating, you took a different solution.

Forgive yourself- it was a long time ago. You did what you thought you needed to do in the moment to help your child.


 85 
 on: June 19, 2026, 12:12:17 AM  
Started by kells76 - Last post by kells76
Staff only

Hope you don't mind but I've relocated this thread to another board. It should receive a better response at "Parent, Sibling, or In-law Suffering from BPD". Here is the link: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=3062401.0

I have temporarily placed a ">" in the title so that other moderators will know that it has been moved and we don't move it again.

Each of the boards has a unique culture. Descriptions of which members/topics best fit each board are contained in the "DIRECTORY".  Additionally, the charter of each board is contained in the "WHO SHOULD POST ON THIS BOARD?" thread that is pinned at the top of each board.


If you think this move should be reconsidered, please send me a personal message, via "Pvt mail". I'm happy to work with you to get it to the board that makes sense for all.

 86 
 on: June 18, 2026, 06:30:53 PM  
Started by Mastropiero - Last post by ForeverDad
It's common for a new member here to remark that the person with BPD traits (pwBPD) in their life described all their previous relationship partners as horrible people.  Blame Shifting is a predictable pattern.  That was the theme of William Eddy's book, "It's All Your Fault!"  Sooner or later all their failed relationships get that Blaming.

... but now the confirmation is total and I think she was totally aware of all her wrongdoing. I have already written to her ex to try to meet him and have a long talk with him. OMG what a RELIEF, I sometimes thought I was flawed and that the conflicts were all my fault, although I knew objectively that the issues were on her side (and codependency and not standing for myself on my side).

We don't know whether her previous partner would like to communicate with you.  If so, try not to let it get out of hand... try to keep it somewhat positive, such as what you've learned from it.

 87 
 on: June 18, 2026, 05:21:50 PM  
Started by Foolingmyself - Last post by Foolingmyself
She took her daughter and left the house to go stay with another relative who she has convinced that I am being unfair. She is very persuasive and manipulative. Let them assume responsibility for her and the baby for now since they were so keen on listening to her. Everyone tires of her eventually. I’m the only dummy that keeps believing that she will get better.

 88 
 on: June 18, 2026, 05:14:57 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
Thanks CC for more to pull over. I appreciate your what you shared.

 89 
 on: June 18, 2026, 04:35:53 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
 This is 95% me. I have more healing, more attention to taking care of myself.
NotWendy - my son's comment about the braces was what kind of a mom would have their son's braces cut off .

I'll get this and give success reports. Thanks for being there now.

 90 
 on: June 18, 2026, 04:32:51 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by CC43
When my son was about 14 yrs his grandfather paid for him to wear braces. He wore them about a year. Then he started to get into this illness on a deeper level. He screamed and cried he needed them off,  The pain was too much (I believe internally) anyway, I had the orthodontist take them off. I could weep over doing that. I still am on the inside. Years later when my son was in his 30's he brought up the incident and said What kind of a mother would do that? 

I'm sure your son put you in a bind.  You felt that his pain was so bad that he just needed to take his braces off.  Indeed, he screamed and cried, probably loudly and persistently.  You allowed him to get what he wanted to stop the pain, screaming and crying.

Your son didn't relent until you did!  Does that sound familiar?  Does it still apply today?

I'm not sure if your son's pain with the braces was merely physical, with tooth soreness and tongue blisters.  I wore braces, headgear and retainers at that age, and they hurt, sometimes quite a bit, disrupting my sleep.  But there was emotional "pain" too--braces aren't pretty, and retainers made me lisp until I got used to them.  I'm sure there was some teasing by classmates.  Wearing mouthgurads with braces in sports was another challenge for me.  Having a driver's licence picture or yearbook picture with braces might be mildly embarrassing.  Yet most kids endure the temporary discomfort, adjustments and self-consciousness for the long-term benefits:  correcting a bite and improving one's smile.  Getting braces isn't uncommon at all, at least where I live.  It's almost a rite of passage.  A main difference is that these days, braces are worn at younger ages, and they look better in my opinion.

Alas, with BPD, the short term typically trumps the long term, and emotions typically trump rational thought.  What I experience with the pwBPD in my life is a mix of low distress tolerance, too much focus on her external image and general perception distortion.  Here's another thing:  I think the pwBPD in my life doesn't have a strong sense of self, which prevents her from planning properly for her "future self."  In other words, since she doesn't know who she is today (except victim), she can't possibly think about working towards a better future for herself.  When she confronts a challenge, such as wanting money or enduring braces, what happens?  She has a hard time tolerating today's minor distress (having to wait to save up some money, enduring a little discomfort).  She has a distorted perception of what will happen if she doesn't immediately get what she wants.  She just can't go on living until she gets it--the real-life equivalent for my pwBPD is plastic surgery.  She becomes obsessive about it, saying she can't tolerate living without it.  Does that ring any bells?  With my pwBPD, there's little value placed on patience, perspective, working towards things she wants.  Rather, I think she feels entitled, downtrodden and aggrieved because she doesn't have what she wants, and it's someone else's fault.

The sad reality is, this "affliction" is part of BPD.  And it can't be "fixed" by throwing money at it.  Even if I paid for ten plastic surgeries for my pwBPD, do you think she'd feel any better?  If I paid for a new apartment, a new car, more education, a dog, a vacation in Europe, would she feel better?  I think you know the answer to those questions.  What happens is that the more money she gets from parents, the more she feels entitled, and her needs don't diminish, they expand!  That's because the core problem isn't one about money, but about emotional control, negative thinking patterns and negative self-image.

So what do you do?  I think you shift your focus away from fixing, and towards bolstering your son's independence.  You support your son, not by giving him money, but by giving him love and encouragement, provided that he's treating you right.  You show confidence in his ability to figure things out for himself, and you give him room to do that.  You remind him of his many good deeds.  You praise the seemingly small wins--having a civil conversation, taking care of himself, working a full week, keeping the lights on, doing something nice for his kid, solving a tough situation himself.  Praising these actions, these baby steps towards healthy habits and independence, can go a long way in my opinion.  It's funny, I just noticed how I wrote about praising actions over qualities.  I could have said emotionally-charged things like, I love how you're artistic, smart, charming, etc., which a pwBPD might question because I'm "insincere"--of course a mom is going to think that.  But somehow, I think that praising actions is more believable, more real.

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