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 on: December 01, 2025, 04:49:20 AM  
Started by CanBuild91 - Last post by Rowdy
If you have a normal, healthy mind you will be confused. You will be trying to work out what is going on in your ex’s head, but given a pwBPD is driven by emotions not logic, they probably don’t understand what is going on in their own head half of the time, let alone someone else, especially someone that has been romantically involved with them, can fully understand either.

I’m just over two years out, from a 27 year relationship. We have two adult children. We have three dogs that stay with me but she comes round to take them out for a walk, usually when I am at work, so we are still in contact but I keep contact to bare minimum. She jumped straight into another relationship. Now, she has tried to make comparisons with him to me. For example, I used to manage my sons soccer team. I hate the sport, but I did it for him and his friends and fellow team members because no one else would do it. She tried saying he did the same thing for his son. I know he didn’t, anyone familiar with soccer will be familiar with running the line and that is the extent of his ‘running a soccer team’ basically flagging for offside. Every parent does this at some point, and it is nothing like organising a football team, training them, marking the pitch, putting up goals and everything else that goes with it, but she tried to make out he is like me. I have berated him for going on a public Facebook page moaning about someone parking their car on the road near his house, and when people disagreed with him, he just started calling people c***s, because he has no intelligence. She said I do the same thing, because I once got in a bit of an argument with someone on a forum that had been derogatory about people with Autism. I used my intelligence to make them look stupid, without name calling, which lead to them being banned from the forum, because their level of intelligence was similar to her boyfriends. Now logic tells me she is trying to make a comparison to justify her poor life choice because those comparisons don’t stack up…. but her emotions……

For the first year, she would message me every morning, without fail. That is until she moved in with her boyfriend, but even though she would trigger me, since moving in with him, would lead to me telling her some home truths would then lead to her blocking me, she would then unblock me within days, if not within hours. Logic would tell me she’s not invested in her boyfriend if she was still messaging me first thing every morning. I was still sleeping with her for that first year behind her boyfriends back, so again logic ……….

She would tell me to move on, and hope I find the perfect woman I was looking for, and try saying I left her (because she basically made it that I had to move out) and I am now with another woman, but after a couple of arguments she has phoned our eldest son and been in tears to him about my girlfriend, and she has been rude about her in messages to me even though she has never met her, so again logic says she isn’t the one that has really moved on.

She messaged me a few weeks ago apologising for not taking the dogs out that morning, which is something she has never apologised for in the past……. Why she did that, I could come to a logical conclusion but whether it makes sense in her reality who knows!

She messaged me last week, it was the 9 year anniversary of my dads death, to say that she was thinking of me ……… bearing in mind the first year we had split up she had basically used my dads birthday to invite me over for dinner, ply me with alcohol so I couldn’t drive home and end up staying the night and sleeping with her, so again logic could tell me one thing yet her reality?

The thing is a pwBPD can not be on their own. They are not emotionally stable and grounded enough to be on their own, and any relationship they have a fear of abandonment, and personally I think they always need a backup plan. A safety net, a comfort blanket. If things go pear shaped they need to know there is someone there to catch them when they fall. They know that we have been there for them in the past, that we have been their rock, or their lighthouse leading them to safety. So while our logic tells us that their actions show that we are still living in their heads, their emotions are constantly fighting that logic.

I’ve given up trying to work out why she has done, and does the things she does. I’ve come to the conclusion that they are probably arguing with themselves just as much as they do anyone else so it’s pointless trying to figure out someone that can’t even figure themselves out.

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 on: December 01, 2025, 03:44:24 AM  
Started by CanBuild91 - Last post by Under The Bridge
Why on earth would she be posting months of songs about missing me, only to still have me blocked and unable to communicate with her?

She's definitely fishing to see if you're still out there - and by responding, you're playing her game and giving her what she wants, Once she knows you're still out there and, in her mind, 'available', she cuts off. Until the next time she wants to check on you.

She's making no direct 'can we talk?' contact and this is what you should be taking note of. She's had plenty of time to decide if she wants to get back with you but she's still playing games and posting things, knowing you're seeing them.

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 on: December 01, 2025, 01:40:31 AM  
Started by CanBuild91 - Last post by CanBuild91
My ex continues to confuse me. She’s posted a fifth post with an “I miss my ex” song, this one basically saying “can I see you again?” Aside from this blip of following a couple of new “narcissism abuse” accounts, it’s been five straight months of nostalgic “I miss you” songs. Last night I started worrying that in her mind, these songs are her attempt at reconnecting and by not making a move, I am rejecting her. The last thing in the world I want is for her to feel rejected. So I sent a very light text “hi. It’s been a long time and I wanted to see how you’re doing.” And I appear to still be blocked. Why on earth would she be posting months of songs about missing me, only to still have me blocked and unable to communicate with her?

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 on: November 30, 2025, 09:57:43 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
Wow, yes, you nailed it. I will be reading your reply over and  think on it. Thank you

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 on: November 30, 2025, 09:48:25 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by CC43
Hi there,

What I see in your interactions with your son are some typical BPD dynamics.  On the one hand, I see your genuine concern for his welfare and his ability to earn a living while also taking care of a young child.  It's fairly typical for pwBPD to have a hard time keeping a job, because their emotional instability can get in the way of staying organized, being productive and handling work stress.  Reading between the lines, there might be some general competency issues as well.  Maybe by helping out your son so much, you have been over-functioning for him, in the name of keeping him stable and alive.  But in the process, maybe he hasn't really learned how to function effectively and maturely, independently from you.  Maybe he hasn't had to fend for himself enough, because you have always been there to do the worring, the arranging and fixing for him.  And now, he's feeling incompetent, possibly behind his peers.  Maybe he simply forgot about his son's pick-ups, assuming that you'd do everything for him, even without asking.  It's typical for pwBPD to have a strong sense of entitlement--he feels you OWE him to do what he wants you to do, when he wants it.  But the second you try to explain it's not convenient for you (How dare you?), he's extremely irritated, and he might think you're narcissistic, self-centered and trying to hurt him.  That's a typical, knee-jerk, angry reaction of a pwBPD who doesn't get his way.

Maybe I'm reading too much into your post, but I sense a couple of other things going on.  On the one hand, your son might feel ashamed that his small business didn't work out.  Shame is a huge trigger with BPD.  Even if you've told him you're proud of him, it's never enough.  PwBPD need constant reassurance, possibly because they have a weak sense of self.  They tend to take any setback as a personal failure, not a tough situation to learn from.  When reeling from a setback, any questions from you are likely to feel intrusive and judgmental, rather than mere requests for information about logistics.  He's simultaneously very sensitive and defensive.

Another possibility is that he feels intense anxiety about his new job.  If you have been over-functioning for him in life, it's possible that your son finds adult administrative matters to be confusing and overwhelming, especially when starting a new venture.  I'm saying that because I think this issue plagues my own adult stepdaughter with BPD.  For example, she's unclear about how to use public transportation, and she forgets to ask if there is free parking on the employer's premises.  She neglects to clarify her work hours, her start date, and to ask about how benefits work (healthcare? transportation subsidies? training opportunities? tuition assistance?).  Anyway, the impression I get is one of confusion, and general fear, which has the effect of paralizing pwBPD.  I think that they grapple with feeling inferior and incompetent a lot of the time, and a new job with all its uncertainties can be a huge trigger.  Instead of a positive internal dialogue (I'm competent, there's training, I'll figure it out, it's exciting to start a new job), the internal dialogue is negative (I'm anxious, what if they think I'm not good enough, nobody will like me, this is too overwhelming).  Even if your son has everything figured out, he might neglect to inform you because he's oblivious!  He doesn't realize that you have a life to organize as well; his assumption might be that you'll drop everything to do his bidding, just as you've always done, and anything less than that is "abandoning" him.  The second you mention YOUR life and YOUR needs, he feels disrespected and angry.  In typical BPD fashion, he'll overreact and cut you out (both to get away from your "neediness" and to punish you).  But as soon as he needs something--money, logistical support, administrative support--he's back in touch.  The relationship oftentimes feels transactional, all take and no give.  Does that sound about right?  If it does, it's because it's classic BPD behavior.

Let me guess, your son often blames you for all his problems.  That's also classic BPD.  I think the reason is twofold.  First, you've been over-functioning for him, and he hasn't had to face the natural consequences of his own choices and behaviors.  Second, deep down he feels intense shame, which hurts so much that he can't take it.  Rather than sit with his feelings, reflect, take responsibility for himself and find a way forward, he blames YOU for all his problems, to avoid his internal pain.

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 on: November 30, 2025, 07:44:43 PM  
Started by zzkkll - Last post by codeawsome
Hi! This is a relationship of 2 years. i'm (M26) she's (F27)

So, we had an argument and broke up with her. I said some hurtful stuff and she did too, because we were mad at eachother.

We went NC for about 4 days, tried to contact her, she was very cold, gave her flowers, thanked me and told me the flowers were gorgeous, but said she didn't want to be in a relationship and i needed to understand that, plus she felt like we weren't getting along (due to life problems, it impacted our relationship).

How long should i wait for trying to contact her again? I told her i'm truly sorry and that i want to show her my feelings, and that it's common for a relationship to have its ups and downs, but she won't listen to reason, and i don't think she suddenly stopped loving me from one day to another... even though we were in a bad spot for a few weeks

Its actually crazy how similar you sound to me. I just went through a breakup and went through a lot of emotions.

https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=3060772.0

Take a look at my thread. I tried to note down learnings I had too. The biggest thing was learning how to forgive truly. First forgive yourself. You're a human. You made a mistake. Don't justify your behaviour, but take accountability. What can you do differently next time? Why did you get to that point? Are you holding in feelings and letting them boil up?

To get better from this you have to internalize that they have mental health issues. Imagine it this way. You woke up today, that's good. Do you remember yesterday? The day before? How you felt? Your standing in life? I can go on. Essentially im asking you about your identity. Your ex fundementally doesn't have that identity. Think about how insane that is. They literally can change their opinion from hour to hour day to day. Feelings = reality. It's magical thinking to the max. Infact this is pretty normal in all of us because we're human. However for someone who suffers bpd, they take this to an extreme because their emotions are really extreme. They can't self soothe properly.

Remember, you didn't cause it, you cant fix it.

My heart goes out to you. For me working out intensely with blind faith that things will get better is what got me through the storm.

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 on: November 30, 2025, 06:47:24 PM  
Started by CC43 - Last post by JsMom
CC43,  I wanted to thank you for sharing your Thanksgiving reflections. It's so nice to notice the positives and achievements even if small with love who are living life with bpd. I related to your stepdaughter avoiding family gatherings.  It used to hurt a lot not having my oldest son with ubpd join the family. I took it personally as he told me how I weird and stupid our family was. He never put down any family member. I'm the one he saves that type of sharing with. Last year he told me not to  invite him because he feels bad for not attending. Though he managed to pop in for an hour or so. This year he didn't come and he sent a text the said I love you Mom. It was fine he wasn't here. Easier in many ways. What I know is that it's painful for him. I can't and don't need to fix it.   

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 on: November 30, 2025, 05:36:09 PM  
Started by JsMom - Last post by JsMom
Idk how to have a productive discussion with my adult undiagnosed bpd. I thought if I wrote about a recent attempt that someone would be able to point out what I'm missing. My son had his own small business that he needed to transition out of because of a fluctuating income and I believe his own mismanagement. I have covered more bills than I ever should have this last year. Anyway, to his credit, he applied for and was hired for a great position that matches his skill set. He has a son half time as he's divorced. I've been wondering what he's worked out for school transportation on his days. I have been doing Frudays for a couple year. I'm not jumping in. Idk what my son's hours are and if he's worked things out with new employers. I don't typically hear details of my sons life. I'm called when he's doing poorly, needs to share pain, suicidal thoughts, needs help...
I did text him asking if we could talk in the next couple days. (Crickets) I'm thinking he must have childcare issues worked out.
Finally we chatted. I needed to tell him that I would be out of town on my Friday to pick up grandson. My grandson wouldn't be stuck. He can easily take a school bus to his Mom's house which he does several times a week anyway.  My son went into panic,  said I ruined his day, now he's doing really bad, this is why he hasn't taken a job where he couldn't get his son.... I told him I understand that but I'm wanting to support you so you can take this job. He said he just realized he needed help with his son. That I should say to him that I would take care of rides not say I want to support him. Then he told me he can't have these kinds of conversations with me and stop texting about this. I destroyed his day. So I stopped .texting.  Later he text asking a random question and said he loved me. Turns out he's out of town and won't need me on the Fiday I'm on vacation. Last I heard was he started the new job December 1st, Today I'm told December 8th. My mind wants to connect the dots of little info I get. I have to let that go thiugh. I feel like I've been caught in a wave and flipped around a few times. Good news is I thought all these kind of interactions because I'm at fault.  Now I'm understanding more is involved. Does anyone one have a thought of how I got lost ?
Thanks.

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 on: November 30, 2025, 05:25:16 PM  
Started by codeawsome - Last post by codeawsome
Been a while!

I would say im still in shock a little bit from the way everything went down with my ex. Looking back at it all it's really wild how it all went down. I looked back at my old phone and saw some texts. It did fill me with grief to look at it all again, at the same time it was validating. I don't feel crazy for feeling the feelings that I felt after that breakup. I don't blame myself for being confused like I was. Honestly the good and baseline were all really nice. It's just the cognitive dissonance from the negatives I guess.

What a tragedy. I still have a photo of her on my old phone. It's so tragic from my pov simply that she doesn't share the same sentiment I do (Or not in the same way because of disordered thinking) when she looks at those texts. It was a simple exchange. She wanted me to get some snacks and then thanked me. I was heading over to her place. So simple yet for me all those tiny moments are filled with such love. She was my princess. Fully.

It's really sad. On the bright side though, im getting myself a dog. Me and my buddy will take on the world. I'm still working hard on myself and learning a lot as I go.

Honestly I have questions still on whether or not she thinks about me or moved on. I know it's just the grief though. I can't relate to her like that. I don't think she really thinks about me in exactly the same way I think about her. As time passes Its getting easier to live with it. Yesterday was one of the first days in a long time where I was excited for the next day. I don't typically have that feeling.

Really odd that this person was in my life. They existed side by side through so much and poof just like that they disappear. What can you do at the end of the day I guess. I'm still curious how I would do now given everything I learned. However I understand also that this would always be what happens. Its part of the dysfunction, not being able to maintain long lasting intimate relationships. It's really sad. Oh well.

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 on: November 30, 2025, 04:15:51 PM  
Started by Hopeslost - Last post by KBug
I'm so sorry that you are going through all of this. I'm glad that you and your husband are on the same page now. My therapist helped me to reframe a healthy relationship with my step daughter/husband's daughter (24 yo) not as the one that I want, but as one in which my husband and I make and keep important boundaries with her and which we protect our relationship first.

Our daughter really doesn't like us much because her mother (also BPD) engaged in a lot of parental alienation and set fake boundaries (no consequences for breaking through boundaries). She also doesn't like that we respond to her rages by gray rocking (at least most of the time, Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)). She accuses us of being passive aggressive because we try to avoid JADEing (justifying, arguing, defending, or explaining). We also have been fairly good at setting boundaries, which she doesn't like. Before she was 18, she would primarily live with her mother until that relationship would blow up. Then she would stay with us for a few months until things cooled down. Then she would go to live with her mother again.

The last time that we saw her, she had blown up all of her relationships over a year or so, her mother had kicked her out of the house for real the first time, she had been evicted from a guy's house that she had a 1 night stand with and decided to stay, and no one else would take her in (toxic behavior, false accusations, etc.). She called us asking if she could move in, we told her only if she continued complying with her mental health agreement (therapy, actively working on sobriety/clean time) AND we would have a peaceful house. She said that she wouldn't kiss our a$$3$ for a place to live and we told her that she's an adult and that's her choice. She has always used the threat of homelessness as emotional blackmail to get her way. When we said , "Fine," she would just move back in with her mother. Now she didn't have anywhere to go, so we paid for a hotel for 1 night and got her set up with a long term homeless shelter for people with mental illness. She got kicked out of there after a few days because she couldn't get along with people. She lived in her car a week or so before her mom's boyfriend helped her to get into a different shelter in a different town.

None of us have heard from her, but we know she's still alive because we pay for her mental health therapy and we're still getting billed. I'm thankful that she's getting help. My husband and I are heartbroken, but she can't live with us and we can't be around her because it's so hard on our mental health. We love her and we worry for her. We long for the relationship that we wish we had, but not the one that we have had for several years. She's finding a way to survive, even if we don't know what's going on. Our lives are much more peaceful now. We hope that she's finding peace, too. I hope that having to find her own way will help her to get desperate enough to focus on healing herself rather than blame everyone else. I also hope that she will be more afraid of being homeless than going back to school or getting a job and sticking with it even when it's uncomfortable for her. She's exceptionally intelligent and can be a hard worker. We told her that we would pay for tuition. She wouldn't even have to talk with us. All she would have to do is have the university contact us to set up billing.

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